Discuss the strategy in this Video

[DaBurglar]

I am still relatively new here and still catching up with past issues and discussions.  I just remember Shaftdowman referencing something called "The RS Label" in a reply/response to me and one of my posts and I had no clue what the hell that was.  I have since taken some time and gone back into the bowels of this forum and looked up who "RS" actually was and what happened etc etc.   Boy this guy seems like a few pancakes short of a stack....I mean, I have only played devil's advocate a few times arguing that it is remotely possible given the times and circumstances that there MIGHT be a few VP machines out there that are not 100% kosher, but I never advocated nor would I advocate throwing math and logic out the window and putting all my Video Poker eggs into a basket based on pre-programmed hot and cold cycles.....wtf?    I mean, i could see how a relatively new and naive Video Poker player might think some machines operate through these so-called hot & cold cycles simply because that is what many machines often do, at least on the surface:  you hit a period where you seem to hit a lot of winning hands bunched relatively close together, and then you hit an even longer stretch where a whole lotta nothing comes your way for what seems like an eternity (or in my last case a four and a half day weekend of 71% dead hands!)   But what we, and mr Fa La La La La.... La la la la always seem to forget is the whole bunch of times where things move back and forth between hit & miss, good & bad, pay and no pay, at a relatively steady pace, simply because this is boring and unnoteworth and therefore not memorable. I think we all can suffer from a similar "highway Hypnosis" syndrome when playing Video Poker, whereby you almost zone out what is taking place in front of you on the machine because it is so routine and boring, until you hit something not routine, like a really untense hot or cold spell that sees your total credits for the session balloon or shrink precipitously.    But I went back and read the old forum posts about the war between shadowman and Fa la la la la... la la la... la......boy what a hillariously disturbing sequence of posts that was, those guys really were not nice to each other lol!   Especially Fa la la la la... la la la... la. talking about how Fat and stupid and unhealth and out of shape everyone else who played Video Poker is except for him....wtf was that all about????  Why would he say stuff like that?   If that is him in that video , he is nothing special either....in fact, me in my wheelchair I am 100% certain my upper body is much stronger than his....but what the hell that has to do with the price of Frosted Lucky Charms or video poker is beyond me, but he is the one who first broached the subject so ask him..... And is it just me or does RS actually consider Bob Dancer the antichrist or what???   I dont get it....most everything I have read from Bib Dancer has been clear and makes sense, what is the basis for such vehement attack against it like Bob Dancer posted something dreadfully wrong or deceptive?   It is one thing to disagree with something or someone, and I am not saying I regard Bob Dancer as gospel, but its basic MATH...how do you debate 2 + 2 = 4??    And dont anyone get cute and say "2+2 = 22!!"  yuk yuk har har giggle snort   Edited to add:  I apologize for the typos in my posts, I have a really funky laptop keypad that does weird things when typing within the text box of this forum's software, so i often miss going back and cleaning up things I should, I just get tired of it, I am sorry.  I think you all can get the sense of what i am saying though despite a missing letter here or a transposed letter there......by the way, I noticed I called Bob Dancer "Boob Dancer" back in an earlier thread, sorry about that bob, but I think it is too funny to go back and fix so hardy har har mate!

[shadowman]

[QUOTE=shadowman] BTW, it was beyond obvious that BS was really RS in disguise so we've all had a chance to deal with him over the last couple of years.
 
 
I'm delighted that BS is no longer here --- he was definitely a negative disruptive force here --- but I don't think he and RS are/were the the same. As "evidence" I looked at the past 10 posts by RS on vpFREE. ALL of them use apostrophes correctly! BS regularly omitted apostrophes in his posts on this forum. This is not conclusive evidence, perhaps, but it's enough for me. If SM wishes to conclude otherwise, so be it. [/quote]
 
The apostrophe removal was an attempt to hide his real identity. Since he's been banned from this site he wanted to create a new persona. However, his use of many phrases unique to him, the exact same beliefs as RS and the attitude gave it away.
 
It didn't help him when he turned out to be unaware of many facts a person in the military would know. He didn't even understand what a commanding officer did. That was really hilarious.
 
It was not the first alias RS has used on this site either. They are always quite obvious.
 
In addition, I caught him using the apostrophe several times. When a person does not use them it would be very strange for them to accidentally insert one occasionally. However, if a person normally used them ... I think you get the picture.
 

[onemoretry]

but I never advocated nor would I advocate throwing math and logic out the window  

 Earlier, in the first post in this thread, you indicated that your decision as to how to play a particular hand would be influenced by how good or bad your fortunes had been that day. Isn't that "throwing math and logic out the window"? 

[shadowman]

Edited to add:  I apologize for the typos in my posts, I have a really funky laptop keypad that does weird things when typing within the text box of this forum's software, so i often miss going back and cleaning up things I should, I just get tired of it, I am sorry.
 
For those who use IE there is an add on spell checker from google. Just install the google toolbar and then it's one click to find all the typos. Of course, I forget to use it once in awhile myself and it won't catch missing words or or extra words.

[Quad Deuces]

Or just get a mac and misspellings are highlighted.  Right click on it for suggestions.  In any app, anytime as far as I know. Unlike their mobile auto-correct, this feature actually works as you'd expect.  It's not a grammar checker either.

[DaBurglar]

[QUOTE=DaBurglar]


but I never advocated nor would I advocate throwing math and logic out the window  

 Earlier, in the first post in this thread, you indicated that your decision as to how to play a particular hand would be influenced by how good or bad your fortunes had been that day. Isn't that "throwing math and logic out the window"? [/QUOTE]
 Umm, no its not.... Bankroll management / money management is a reality most of us must deal with and sometimes other factors and considerations enter into our video poker play that have nothing to do with the straightforward odds and paytables and what not.....why would that be hard for you to understand? If I am dealt a full house where the trips component is also a potential Bonus quad depending on the game I am playing, I now have a choice to make to take the full house payoff or go for the quads.   if I am down for the session and I am nearing or at the END of my playtime allotment, and if that payout for the full house could mean the difference between eating a decent dinner or Mc-dogfood (if a person is playing $1 credits or more this is definitely possible), or if I am just not in the mood to lose more than a certain amount and I happen to be at that exact threshold, that could influence my decision.   this does not qualify nor amount to advocating "throwing math out the window".....The majority of the time , vast majority, i will make the right call based on EV/perfect strategy, but this is not my living nor is it even a serious hobby for me......it is 100% about self entertainment and distraction.  Subjective trumps objective sometimes for me......

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=onemoretry] [QUOTE=DaBurglar] but I never advocated nor would I advocate throwing math and logic out the window
 
 
Earlier, in the first post in this thread, you indicated that your decision as to how to play a particular hand would be influenced by how good or bad your fortunes had been that day.
 
Isn't that "throwing math and logic out the window"? [/QUOTE]
 
Umm, no its not....
 
Bankroll management / money management is a reality most of us must deal with and sometimes other factors and considerations enter into our video poker play that have nothing to do with the straightforward odds and paytables and what not.....why would that be hard for you to understand?
 
If I am dealt a full house where the trips component is also a potential Bonus quad depending on the game I am playing, I now have a choice to make to take the full house payoff or go for the quads.   if I am down for the session and I am nearing or at the END of my playtime allotment, and if that payout for the full house could mean the difference between eating a decent dinner or Mc-dogfood (if a person is playing $1 credits or more this is definitely possible), or if I am just not in the mood to lose more than a certain amount and I happen to be at that exact threshold, that could influence my decision.   this does not qualify nor amount to advocating "throwing math out the window".....The majority of the time , vast majority, i will make the right call based on EV/perfect strategy, but this is not my living nor is it even a serious hobby for me......it is 100% about self entertainment and distraction.  Subjective trumps objective sometimes for me......[/QUOTE]
I agree, Burglar, since I use Win/Lose Stop Limits when I play VP (aw oh, here comes Mr Dancer ). Just CONSIDERING what to do in that situation shows that you have not thrown anything out a window. Staying open-minded to situations, I think, is an advantage.  

[Quad Deuces]

Sounds like bad decisions regarding playing outside what one's bankroll allows is leading to bad decisions regarding which cards to hold.

[BillyJoe]

Sounds like bad decisions regarding playing outside what one's bankroll allows is leading to bad decisions regarding which cards to hold.


Actually, QQ, it is just the opposite. When a recreational player adheres to some form of bankroll mgmt scheme, such as Win/Loss Stops, they CAN'T be outside of their bankroll. That allows them to choose to gamble (hey, what a concept in a casino) or not gamble in certain situations, and not get obliterated. Taking a 10-way FH payout might just give you the extra bankroll boost to carry you to a real good session.

[BillyJoe]

 by the way, I noticed I called Bob Dancer "Boob Dancer" back in an earlier thread, sorry about that bob, but I think it is too funny to go back and fix so hardy har har mate!

Wow, Burglar, I actually thought that you meant that.   I have been known to refer to Bob in an unflattering way at times, but that was only in response to his accusatory remarks directed specifically at me. As long as he stays with VP math and logic, and not try to demonstrate expertise or knowledge in something where he has no or incomplete data, I enjoy reading his posts.