Another Bad Play Pays Off!

[FloridaPhil]

Let the games begin!  

[mdmick67]

Phil, your strategy playing one coin at a time DW on a 1.00 machine and then hitting max play after any 4 coin or better win has some merit and adds a little excitement to the game. Another words you have to use your mind a little more, rather then just playing max coins as fast as you can and burning thur your bankroll.
When do you switch back to single coin play again once you are ahead playing max?
How many dollars are you putting into the machine or maybe I should ask are you running thur a machine before you move to another?
 
Keep posting your play using your one coin strategy, I think there are a lot of players on here that would also like to extend their play rather then burning thru their bankroll in a matter of just a few hours.

[Quad Deuces]

...until you hit a royal with a 1 coin bet.

[mdmick67]

...until you hit a royal with a 1 coin bet.


 
Yes that true, but go back and read what Phil has to say.
 
If you are a .25 player we all know that a royal pays $1000. Using Phil's Strategy and playing at the 1.00 level you are more likely to hit 4 Deuces more often then a royal and that pays $1000.... If you do hit a royal with 5 coins = $4000.
 
I find this to be a good way to play for a long time risking little money. I personally play a different system all together, risking a lot more money and normally I quit playing after a large hit. Many time my win goal is reached in just a few hours of play. That is nice but lets say you only go the the casino a few times a year for 3 or 4 days at a time and the first day you are there you get a nice hit, hummm stop playing? Not likely most people would. So way risk all your winnings. Play more conservative like Phil is suggesting and still have a good possibility of going home with even more money. I call this a good way to kill time in the casino after a nice win and still play with out loosing it all.

[Quad Deuces]

A better way, as has been said, is to find a machine at a denomination you can comfortably play max coins.  As long as the paytable on that machine isn't more than about 2% worse than the 25c machine.  If it is, then by all means play < max coins (or find another casino).I would be so pissed if I hit a royal with < max coins bet I don't know what I'd do.

[mdmick67]

A better way, as has been said, is to find a machine at a denomination you can comfortably play max coins.  As long as the paytable on that machine isn't more than about 2% worse than the .25 machine.  If it is, then by all means play < max coins (or find another casino).

I would be so pissed if I hit a royal with < max coins bet I don't know what I'd do.


 
Guess you missed some of the points that I was trying to say.. Yes play your .25 machine and when you hit your Royal Flush either quit playing or protect most of your winning for another day! If you insist on playing more at .25 put up most of your winnings and save them for another time..... OK now what Phil is doing is taking a bankroll of $300. and making it last a long time and still possibly adding more to one's take home.
 
We all would be mad if the Royal popped up with only 1 coin in... But would it have really also popped up if you had been playing MAX?? Hummm

[FloridaPhil]

The whole idea of my strategy is to extend your play so you have a better chance of breaking even or hitting a $1,000 quad deuce jackpot or better.  Playing one coin dollars gives you the ability of adjusting your bet on the fly.   You really can't do that playing max coins.  Using this strategy, my $300 usually lasts 3-4 hours.  I play about 1,000 hands an hour, so I have a pretty good shot at hitting a quad deuce in that period of time.  If I hit one for $200, I put the ticket in my pocket and I don't cash it until I'm ready to go home.  You have to have confidence in this strategy.  You can't do it for 30 minutes and give up.  It takes a lot of hands before you see the benefits. I adjust my play as I go.    If I don't get a win, I usually go back to one coin right away.  Today, I played for 4 hours.  I never got a quad deuce or a Royal, but I hit two 5 coin Wild Royals near the end and walked away with $200 in my pocket.   I've hit a few $250 Royals doing this but they are offset by a larger number of $1,000 quad deuces.  In my opinion, playing for the Royal all the time is a bigger loser on a negative expectation game than what I'm doing.  I hit 4 Royals in one day in 2008, but that was a  real fluke.  If that happens again, I'll smile and collect another $1,000.  

[mdmick67]

Quoting in total agreement:  playing for the Royal all the time is a bigger loser on a negative expectation game.... I would like to hear what the math people have to say about your play.... Question, say you play 100 credits and lose, have you ever thought about or tried playing then 200 credits at the $2. level. the reason for asking is I'm planning a trip to  the casino next week and I thought that I might as well give your strategy several hours of play. I have already run your play strategy with my software with good success.

[FloridaPhil]

I've thought about moving up in denomination.  Personally, I would only do it if I had white tickets in my pocket equal to my $300 session budget.  If you are going to try it, I would stay with dollars until you build up confidence.  It's too easy to go negative on a strategy if you have a couple of losing sessions.  It took me a long time to refine this strategy and nothing works every time.  Something, I've been playing with lately is going to 5 coins after a 3 coin win.  It eats up money faster, but you have a better chance of hitting a $1,000 quad.   Going to 5 coins after a 2 coin win is not worth it.  Most of your good wins will come on one of the short bursts that Deuces Wild is known for.  On the long dry spells (also common), you'll be playing $1 a hand.

[mdmick67]

Phil,  What you are saying makes sense to me starting out. I'm going to stick to your 1.00 denomination play and see how that works out first.  As far as moving up to max after a 3 coin hit, I was wondering the same thing, might have give that a try also.
 
As to the hot and cold streaks when playing DW, I know just what you mean, it's programed into the software and  no matter what you do when playing max coins there is no way to trick oneself around the program. That is probably the number one reason that your one coin play makes some sense, by waiting out the cold cycle and hopefully catching the hot streak on max coins at the right time.
 
I always get a chuckle out of the nay sayers that think that there is only one way to play VP. It's a game of luck, yes perfect play and good pay tables help but in the long run you will always lose playing max coins in only one denomination. I have my own system of playing to win but the bankroll that I have to carry to play, it is enough to choke a horse. So for sometime now I have been toying with different ways to skin that old cat by playing only a couple of denominations at some of the more risky bonus games.