Anyone notice.. (a reflection)

[MikeA]

I freely admit that I know nothing about Fa La La La La.... La la la la's system other than it is a progression with "special plays."  Since I don't know what those are, I can't simulate them.However, anyone can simulate a progression and I know that no that no matter what you call it or how you camouflage its nature, you are getting into quicksand and getting there more surely the deeper into it you wade!Increasing variance by changing games as well as denomination in pursuit of the progression would seem to me to be putting even more at risk in a move that might be described as desperation, epitomizes the act of "chasing your loses."This is true of any progression, not just  Mr. Fa La La La La.... La la la la's. It's as true in VP as it is in Blackjack and you'll get as many defending progressions (maybe even more!) Blackjack as you'll see in VP.  USE CAUTION!  Go look at the topic I posted on Progressions and see what you are not unlikely to place at risk!

[shadowman]

I'm not quite as negative as MikeA on VP progressions. The key is understanding exactly what is going on. With sufficient bankroll and comfort at playing several denoms a player can increase their number of sessions wins and possibly their overall enjoyment.
 
That said, I don't think very many gamblers are comfortable playing at more than 3 levels. We're either bored by low denoms or stressed out by high denoms. Add that to the fact that no monetary gain is provided limits the desireability of this approach.

[MikeA]

I guess I've just seen too many playing BJ negative progressions.  In those, you really ramp up to very large bets VERY quickly.  Most of the players who play these progressions will "stop" the progression after losing 4 or 5 hands.  But, even after 4 in a row, you would be down 15 units.  Since you only stand to win 1 unit at the end of a successful Martingale progression, it would take 15 winning progressions before you make up for the lost progression.  Losing 4 in a row is almost a common occurrence in BJ.  It is a receipt for Ruin.Positive progressions are a little better.  Increasing after a win with a stop of 4 wins can add some adrenalin rushes.  But in the end, it will get you.  You are just not going to overcome that .65% house advantage with a progression.  You have to do it by getting money on the table when you do have an advantage.With that said, I did work out a progression that was semi-mathematically logical.  It had nothing to do with the known condition of the deck (card counting).  I can't remember the table I worked up, but it was based on the odds of losing a certain number of hands in a row.  I believe that on any given hand, you have a 42% chance of winning, a 48% chance of losing it and a 10% chance of a draw.  To lose two in a row is a little better than even if I remember correctly.  But to lose 3 in a row, the odds are really in your favor NOT to do it.  So, I would increase my bet after the second loss in a row.  It didn't work   I would lose that three in a row and start back with one unit but I was losing three in a row too often   But in low minimum games, it can add excitement though I would never push this as a way to beat the game! 

[shadowman]

In my last BJ tournament I was sitting in 2nd place with 8 hands to go. I lost the next 7 in a row and went broke.
 
So, what you're saying about BJ progressions is very true.  I think the only way to attack the game is through remainding deck analysis (counting). Unfortunately, the casinos can count too and they can shuffle pretty much whenever they want.
 
On the VP side, however, one can play progressions on positive games which means you lose nothing from an EV standpoint. For example, playing .05, .10 and .25 FPDW could probably raise the session win rate above 50% while still keeping the EV constant. I would think a 400 coin/level stake ($20+$40+$100) is reasonable with a win goal of $50-100. If one preferred bonus games then 10-7 DB or 10-6 DDB would work as well. These games are all available on "optimum" machines (or their equivalents) in LV.

[Benford's Law]

Just for fun,       Why not offer babybubba a second chance here?  Just give him a limited window of 7-10 days once every six months to stimulate the conversation in new and unconventional ways.~Benford's Law

[bigboy]

Just for fun,
       Why not offer babybubba a second chance here?  Just give him a limited window of 7-10 days once every six months to stimulate the conversation in new and unconventional ways.
~Benford's Law

 
You did mean to post this under the "say a funny joke" thread, right?

[BOOPSAHOY]

Yes bigboy-lets have webman move his post!

[Benford's Law]

Nooooo!I was rather serious.Let babybubba in just a small amount so that Webman can update the "Best of Babybubba" collection every time Rob is kicked back out.~Benford's Law

[oej719]

Just for fun,       Why not offer babybubba a second chance here?  Just give him a limited window of 7-10 days once every six months to stimulate the conversation in new and unconventional ways.~Benford's Law


I disagree. The guy has no manners and has severe mental issues. His only stimulation to the forum is name calling and bashing. Matter of fact he has wrote an article bashing the people on this forum and its administration. He has nothing to offer but made up stories. He appeals only to the gullible and those that believe VP can provide consistant and big wins.

[shadowman]

I'm sure webman is looking for a lot of unpaid overtime and headaches. Bring him back? ...