Bob Dancer's Class Schedule for Free Classes

[davidearl]

    Ted, it'll cost you 750,000 points. Bob has his eye on one of those videopoker.com polo shirts!     Dave

[Tedlark]

  Wow Dave I hope Bob comes back with a much lower number. That is, if, this is a viable option for our points.

[BobDancer]

  Wow Dave I hope Bob comes back with a much lower number. That is, if, this is a viable option for our points. I was assuming you were being facetious. I normally charge $200 per hour with a two hour minimum for private lessons. People who post on this site can get a $25 per hour reduction --- and you can keep your points.This may not be what you had in mind, but you must admit I came up with MUCH lower numbers than 750,000!Bob

[Tedlark]

  I was thinking that this would be a great cross marketing benefit between the owners of this site, the users of this site, and you Bob.

[BobDancer]

Billy Joe remarked that he might have scheduled a trip for a class had TDB been offered. Actually, DDB Ten Play Ultimate X might be a game worthy of BJs interest.It returns more than 99.8%, found at Palms ($50 per hand) and South Point ($25 per hand) --- and the variance is significantly higher than regular DDB. To me that sounds like it's within BJs wheelhouse.Bob

[New2vp]

Bob, Your radio buddy's Web site (Wizard of Odds) shows that IGT reports an EV for 10-play Ultimate X 9-6 DDB of 99.8663%.  And a single strategy regardless of multiplier exists that produces an EV
of 99.8253%.Not too long ago, you posted something like this on the vpFREE forum:"Most players use approximations and use one strategy for multiplier sums between 10 and 27. A second strategy for multiplier sums between 28 and 64. Etc. It's not perfect --- but it is a good compromise between what's possible and what's humanly feasible."I presume that your post was about 10-play (since your first grouping started with a sum of 10) Ultimate X in general and not just 9-6 DDB.  Is a grouping approach what you will take to your class for this particular game?  How many different groups of multipliers do you recommend to differentiate?  Is this the same for any 10-play Ultimate X game or just DDB?Or do you point your students towards just using a single strategy since going from the simplest approach to the most complicated has a potential of just 0.0410% additional EV?

[BobDancer]

I will be teaching the single-strategy approach. The strategy I use was devised by J.B., who is the webmaster of the wizardofodds.com website, so the numbers I'm citing are the same ones you quoted from that site. At the end of the class, for those who want some refinements, I'll be covering the "top ten" (or so, I haven't actually decided) exceptions to the single strategy.For example, normally for 22345, you hold 2345 in this game (because you earn a high multiplier for a straight), but above a multiplier sum of 46, you should hold 22. These few enhancements make the strategy even closer to perfect --- but still maintain the "one strategy" approach for the most part.

[BillyJoe]

Billy Joe remarked that he might have scheduled a trip for a class had TDB been offered. Actually, DDB Ten Play Ultimate X might be a game worthy of BJs interest.

It returns more than 99.8%, found at Palms ($50 per hand) and South Point ($25 per hand) --- and the variance is significantly higher than regular DDB. To me that sounds like it's within BJs wheelhouse.

Bob

Thanks for the 'steer', Bob. If this game, with that type of EV, was available at an MGM or Caesars Vegas Strip casino, where I have NOIR and Seven Star status respectively, I may be tempted to give it a whirl. I dislike, however, allocating a large portion of my gaming bankroll to a location where I do not have status. Since I do not live in Vegas, 'standalone' Vegas casinos do not interest me.  
 
Also, although I enjoy playing Ultimate X for fun, I fundamentally dislike games where you have to win TWICE to be successful. In Ultimate X, you need a good hand (st, fl, or fh) to have a good multiplier up, and then the next hand you need to catch that premium hand. An awful lot has to go right to get rewarded for paying double coin-in.  

[BobDancer]

[QUOTE=billyjoe
Thanks for the 'steer', Bob. If this game, with that type of EV, was available at an MGM or Caesars Vegas Strip casino, where I have NOIR and Seven Star status respectively, I may be tempted to give it a whirl. I dislike, however, allocating a large portion of my gaming bankroll to a location where I do not have status. Since I do not live in Vegas, 'standalone' Vegas casinos do not interest me.  
 There is no status at South Point for anybody. Everybody has the same color card. It's one of Michael Gaughan's quirks. If you play big enough once you'll get RFB for future trips, and the rooms are nice for a local properties, but overall the amenities at the South Point do not compare with the ones at Strip properties.He also usually offers 2x points on holidays --- (base is 0.30% --- 2x is 0.60%) which is when you might be in town anyway. I'm guessing that spending 4-5 hours there on a 2x point day wouldn't crush your trip. Yes you could lose $5,000 or so, but you'd be the favorite and oftentimes you'll win. And generally speaking, the wins are MUCH bigger than the losses.Insofar as your dislike of games where you have to win twice, I can't really address your personal likes and dislikes. To each his own in that respect. All I can say is that I've played millions of dollars coin-in on the game (at the Palms) and I find it fascinating.Bob