How do I eak out that last 2% of perfect play?

[TIMSPEED]

I recently downloaded the pocket VP app for my droid tablet..on 8/5 BP I confirmed that I was 99.5% correct (over many thousands of hands), but obviously my 9/6 DDB was worse (something like 98.5%) obviously because I don't play/practice it that often (too much variance and sub-par payback)
Like others have said,if only the pocket VP app could show the COST of each error, it'd be perfect! (My last mistake I make is AKTs vs AKT9s6h)

[Vman96]

Like others have said,if only the pocket VP app could show the COST of each error, it'd be perfect! (My last mistake I make is AKTs vs AKT9s6h)

Yeah in 9/6 DDB that's a minor error costing you 1.85 cents on average. But on 8/5 Bonus, holding the 4 to a flush would be a huge mistake! It would be 21.2 cents at quarters.

Downloading the recent VP Pocket update, I am 799 of 800 at 9/6 JoB w/Double STP (why can't this be in Vegas?!?!?!) so far. Fwiw, a bunch of hands have been fairly easy slash I've guessed right when I am not sure.

The one hand I missed, iirc is something like:

Ad Qc Tc 4h 6s

I played Ad Qc because all the other times I had this hand, that's what I did and was correct. But this time (unlike the others), there is no flush penalty on the Qc Tc, so holding that is correct. 1.52 cent mistake at quarters...bleh.

[DaBurglar]

i already stated this in a different thread but it has more relevance here:With regards North American casinos, the only place you will find a paytable that Bob dancer approves is either Vegas, or maybe Reno......(also, those outlying casinos sprinkled across the Nevada moonscape out in the badlands and up in the northeast corner have some decent paytables, but who the hell wants to trek out there just to play video poker, and then crack up on some lonely barren highway or get bitten in the arse by a rattlesnake or rabid prairie dog or some sh*t)If you happen to find a Dancer-esque paytable at some casino in another state or on some indian reservation, its probably a mistake some tech accidentally (or intentionally?) set, and its not something you can plan around or count on.....And of course, the Nevada paytables continue to shrivel up every month, and gawd forbid if you truly become "an advantage player" at some casino in Henderson or Mesquite (or even Vegas)....you'll be marked for exclusion or some other punitive action and soon be looking elsewhere.   I do not doubt the validity or accuracy or efficacy of what Bob preaches and teaches....I am just saying its relvance and feasibility is rapidly diminishing as the casino biz goes in the tank due to competition, over saturation and plain old stupidity.Who else knows differently or has experienced differently?

[BillyJoe]

i already stated this in a different thread but it has more relevance here:With regards North American casinos, the only place you will find a paytable that Bob dancer approves is either Vegas, or maybe Reno......(also, those outlying casinos sprinkled across the Nevada moonscape out in the badlands and up in the northeast corner have some decent paytables, but who the hell wants to trek out there just to play video poker, and then crack up on some lonely barren highway or get bitten in the arse by a rattlesnake or rabid prairie dog or some sh*t)If you happen to find a Dancer-esque paytable at some casino in another state or on some indian reservation, its probably a mistake some tech accidentally (or intentionally?) set, and its not something you can plan around or count on.....And of course, the Nevada paytables continue to shrivel up every month, and gawd forbid if you truly become "an advantage player" at some casino in Henderson or Mesquite (or even Vegas)....you'll be marked for exclusion or some other punitive action and soon be looking elsewhere.   I do not doubt the validity or accuracy or efficacy of what Bob preaches and teaches....I am just saying its relvance and feasibility is rapidly diminishing as the casino biz goes in the tank due to competition, over saturation and plain old stupidity.Who else knows differently or has experienced differently?

I am in your camp on this one, Burglar. When I take a gaming trip, I do not want to spend that time searching casino floors for better paytables. I go on a trip to relax, have fun,and enjoy the comps,.

[Tedlark]

  So what you are saying billyjoe, is that you enjoy the comps that are calculated into your return? Hmm, what a novel concept.

[BillyJoe]

  So what you are saying billyjoe, is that you enjoy the comps that are calculated into your return? Hmm, what a novel concept.
No, what I am saying is that, since most locations that I visit have less than positive paytables, I would rather chase a cocktail waitress than look for a machine that doesn't exist.

[Tedlark]

  Chasing that mythical beast known as a 99% return machine? I think Mel Gibson will be making a movie about this quest; his face will be beet red from all the Irish Mist instead of the blue his face was in Braveheart.

[olds442jetaway]

Great movie.....I see more royals hit on 8/5 or 7/5 job games than 9/6. Yes Billy...I too have a couple of favorite cocktail waitresses. One could be my wife's twin when she was 22. I showed the waitress the pic in my phone of the Mrs. when she was 22 and she almost fell over. What makes it even crazier is the waitress is an Irish..Czech combo just like the Mrs. Told the Mrs. the story and she wasn't impressed....Hmmmmm...

[DaBurglar]

  I am in your camp on this one, Burglar. When I take a gaming trip, I do not want to spend that time searching casino floors for better paytables. I go on a trip to relax, have fun,and enjoy the comps,.   well it goes without saying that the typical average video poker player ("AVPP"  such as Billyjoe) has a totally different agenda upon entering a casino than your typical average advantage video poker player ("AAVPP" such as Bob Dancer).....Billyjoe is there to have fun and enjoy himself with some gambling, booze and food.    Bob is there to GAIN as much profit as possible, always and everytime... its that simple.   with this in mind, Bob and those like him will NEVER play in many of the casinos, nor play most of the games, that the rest of us do.Furthermore, Bob and his ilk do their searching and planning and strategizing BEFORE they even set foot in the casino(s)....being an "AAVPP" means you evaluate all the available paytables, the promotional offers and free play and points, etc etc and come up with a plan on when and where and how long to play.     Billyjoe and the rest of the "AVPP" crowd are only concerned with shwoing up at their destination of choice and  finding their best "ENTERTAINMENT" option on the floor and playing that machine.Apples and Oranges....actually more like Bananas and Bowling balls.....two totally opposite vectors of the economic concept of "utility"....Billyjoe receives the maximum utility doing things the way he does them;   Bob and his kind derive the most utility from applying their two most important assets (time & money) in such a way as to accumulate more of the second asset (money)....Bob also derives some utility from ENTERTAINMENT, but it is secondary, just as Billyjoe derives utility from winning money but that too is secondary to him.Lost in betwixt both crowds of AAVPPs  and AVPPs  are people like me, the frustrated unfulfilled casual expert regular ("FUC_ER") who attempts to maximize both his advantage (and in turn profit) within whichever casino market he is stuck while at the same time joining Billyjoe in having fun and getting the most fun out of our experience in the casino(s).....unless I want to constantly fly back and forth between hartford, Connecticut and Las Vegas, Nevada (and deal with the airports), my video poker options are either the two financially unstable Native American monstrosities in the middle of the Connecticut wetlands (i.e. FOXWOODS & MOHEGAN), or Atlantic city......i do my best to take full advantage of all promotions and freebies that come my way, thus trying to be as much of an AAVPP as possible.  

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=billyjoe] 
I am in your camp on this one, Burglar. When I take a gaming trip, I do not want to spend that time searching casino floors for better paytables. I go on a trip to relax, have fun,and enjoy the comps,.  

well it goes without saying that the typical average video poker player ("AVPP"  such as Billyjoe) has a totally different agenda upon entering a casino than your typical average advantage video poker player ("AAVPP" such as Bob Dancer).....Billyjoe is there to have fun and enjoy himself with some gambling, booze and food.    Bob is there to GAIN as much profit as possible, always and everytime... its that simple.   with this in mind, Bob and those like him will NEVER play in many of the casinos, nor play most of the games, that the rest of us do.

Furthermore, Bob and his ilk do their searching and planning and strategizing BEFORE they even set foot in the casino(s)....being an "AAVPP" means you evaluate all the available paytables, the promotional offers and free play and points, etc etc and come up with a plan on when and where and how long to play.     Billyjoe and the rest of the "AVPP" crowd are only concerned with shwoing up at their destination of choice and  finding their best "ENTERTAINMENT" option on the floor and playing that machine.

Apples and Oranges....actually more like Bananas and Bowling balls.....two totally opposite vectors of the economic concept of "utility"....Billyjoe receives the maximum utility doing things the way he does them;   Bob and his kind derive the most utility from applying their two most important assets (time & money) in such a way as to accumulate more of the second asset (money)....Bob also derives some utility from ENTERTAINMENT, but it is secondary, just as Billyjoe derives utility from winning money but that too is secondary to him.

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Great post, Burglar. I have not heard the term 'utility' in quite a while, and never assigned to a VP scenerio. You are spot on in that analysis, though.