Whats the purpose

[OTABILL]

One thing where I have noticed a change is the meter on progressives. They don't increase nowhere as fast as before.

[BillyJoe]

The overall theme at the casinos that I frequent is the reduction of casino exposure to large payouts.

Case in point: I just returned from a short visit to The Beau Rivage in Biloxi. Last month, they had two All Star II machines set up with DealDraw (aka Double Pay) at the $0.25 to $1 denom. This past weekend, those same machines were now down to 5 cent denoms, with no DealDraw game.

[DaBurglar]

This has been the trend for a lONG time now, going back to the proliferation of penny slots....I can still remember in the later part of the 1990s when penny slots were still kinda "new"...in Vegas, especially downtown, it took a long time for them to become the norm, but when they did it was quite sudden and overwhelming.   Almost all the HUGE jackpot slots were either downgraded or taken out completely at places like the old Fitzgerald's downtown, and the Four Queens and Golden Gate......of course, the Golden Nugget kept some of its huge jackpot machines but they too poured on the penny slots.it was the best of all worlds for casinos and is the biggest reason revenue (and profits) ran so high from 2000 through 2006/2007......you had so many people playing these 1 cent machines which offered relatively paltry jackpots, and yet, these silly SOBs playing these penny slots never realized they were actually betting WAY WAY more than they ever did on the old .25,  .50 and even 1 dollar slots of yesteryear!    Or maybe they did realize but didnt care......most 1 cent slots exhort players to MAX bet, and these MAX bets involve up to 350 (or more) "credits"  or 350 "cents"  (that's $3.50 a spin!)   Do the math.......

[spxChrome]

About 2 months ago, the casino where I play most of my VP shut all their single hand machines off. They were off a day or 2 and then the techs went around turning them all back on , one by one, by what I assume was re-programming. They had the hoods up and were punching away at keyboards inside them. They did not change any paytables, but ummmm.....I have not been doing so well since this has happened, after having a very profitable summer. Anybody have any idea about what this could have all been about ?

I did not read every post here but I will just say my local casino did this last year in October. No paytable change just a chip change. I was there while they were doing it. And they have never been the same. I averaged 18-22 royals a year for over 10 years. This year I have had 7 (2) of which were dealt.

[spxChrome]

Case in point: I just returned from a short visit to The Beau Rivage in Biloxi. Last month, they had two All Star II machines set up with DealDraw (aka Double Pay) at the $0.25 to $1 denom. This past weekend, those same machines were now down to 5 cent denoms, with no DealDraw game.

Did they have .05 to $1 or was it just .25 - $1 changed to .05? It may be they were not getting any play at .25+ because the casinos I visit now its just pretty much all nickel players that are left in the world

We have a bank of 10 - $1 progressive that on Friday and Saturday night 2 years ago you could hardly get a seat from 5p-11p. Now on Fri Sat night maybe 1 or 2 ppl put a $20 in all night. You could play on this bank all night and win or loose a few hundred on average. Now you have to put in $2k just to get your first Quad. And then its usually like dealt 8s.

[DaBurglar]

  Did they have .05 to $1 or was it just .25 - $1 changed to .05? It may be they were not getting any play at .25+ because the casinos I visit now its just pretty much all nickel players that are left in the world

We have a bank of 10 - $1 progressive that on Friday and Saturday night 2 years ago you could hardly get a seat from 5p-11p. Now on Fri Sat night maybe 1 or 2 ppl put a $20 in all night. You could play on this bank all night and win or loose a few hundred on average. Now you have to put in $2k just to get your first Quad. And then its usually like dealt 8s. Appreciate your posts SPX, and I am sure you know how I usually "stand" (sort of) on this whole issue.....but what you report here is extremely severe in terms of being "tight" or even "rigged".     When you say "put in 2k just to get your first quad, has this actually happened to you personally, and if so, can you shed some more light or details on the session(s)??"I believe you in terms of the machines in general having had "something" done to them to make them very difficult to win during any given session lasting an hour or longer.....as to WHY this is the case we have as many theories as we do actual people posting on this website.   But it would certainly start with something like the "chip change" that spawned this actual thread/topic.

[olds442jetaway]

" You're as cold as ice "....Foreigner 1977...That is my take on everything. Sure you can sit down and get a couple of quick hits, but play an 8 or 10 hour session on the same machine on any game and you will be out anywhere from 400-1200 bucks on a quarter game playing between 1 and 2 bucks a hand. You should be out anywhere from a hundred to two hundred bucks and that is it. Sure, anything can happen in any given session, but when this happens to you 24 out of 25 sessions, something is not right and it is not how you are playing.

[Lucky Larry]

i'll add this week's experience. At Coushatta and cashed out a ticket on a new All Star to make a quick pit stop.   The "Call Attendant" and "Printer out of paper" note came on screen. A slot attendant added ticket paper. When she finished, the machine still called for "Attendant.." After rebooting again a slot tech was called. We talked for the next 10-15 minutes while he repeated the reboot, reconnected wiring to the ticket handler and concluded the machine had a frozen RAM. The slot tech told me this was the second frozen RAM in the past hour. A Tech Supervisor was called. The Slot Supervisor concluded the same. As per State mandate the machine was shut down. The State of La. requires that the machine be closed down since the "security tape over the chips" would have to be removed to re-prompt the RAM. The State would then have to reinspect and certify the machine.

[DaBurglar]

" You're as cold as ice "....Foreigner 1977...That is my take on everything. Sure you can sit down and get a couple of quick hits, but play an 8 or 10 hour session on the same machine on any game and you will be out anywhere from 400-1200 bucks on a quarter game playing between 1 and 2 bucks a hand. You should be out anywhere from a hundred to two hundred bucks and that is it. Sure, anything can happen in any given session, but when this happens to you 24 out of 25 sessions, something is not right and it is not how you are playing. great post OLDS, more incontrovertible evidence that the game of video poker as it exists today in all markets is vastly different that 10 years ago.   Nothing alleged here unless a certain someone wants to call olds a liar.

[DaBurglar]

i'll add this week's experience. At Coushatta and cashed out a ticket on a new All Star to make a quick pit stop.   The "Call Attendant" and "Printer out of paper" note came on screen. A slot attendant added ticket paper. When she finished, the machine still called for "Attendant.." After rebooting again a slot tech was called. We talked for the next 10-15 minutes while he repeated the reboot, reconnected wiring to the ticket handler and concluded the machine had a frozen RAM. The slot tech told me this was the second frozen RAM in the past hour. A Tech Supervisor was called. The Slot Supervisor concluded the same. As per State mandate the machine was shut down. The State of La. requires that the machine be closed down since the "security tape over the chips" would have to be removed to re-prompt the RAM. The State would then have to reinspect and certify the machine.interesting post Larry, you shed some light on a place I am not at all familiar with, casino operations in Louisianna (although I dig Popeyes chicken on sundays watching football).....I find it disturbing though that such a thing could "freeze" as you put it.....does this happen often in your experience?   Did you ever see this happen before?AS casinos switch to server based games, problems like this obviously disappear, but new problems and worries arise........I think I will start a new thread on this since I just thought of a new one.....