Slot returns adjusted

[Vman96]

Basically. But it's more like this simplified example.

Slots are 90% of coin-in at 90% and VP/keno/other e-games is 10% of coin-in at 97% for an overall return of 90.7%.

Slots crush video poker at most casinos.

[olds442jetaway]

True. Slot play by far outwieghs vp play so the effect on player return percentage is minimal. What bothers me I guess is that some players like myself who play millions of hands have returns in the 95-96% range. I do play some crappy paytable games sometimes, but usually at lower denomination. Mostly, my play at higher denomination is 99% or higher and I don't think my error rate even adds up to a quarter of a percentage. I have achieved this percentage return since late 2010 as many others have. Just the fact of only hitting a couple of Royals last year in a million hands could easily drop my average from 98% to 96%. Bad luck maybe, but I'm not so sure. One of these days I will find that disgruntled slot tech who will tell all. So far I had the one guy used the term " partial rng ". There have already been posts back and forth about that comment. Some say that is impossible to do, but in this high tech age, I think anything is possible when it comes to computers. I have also had a couple of slot techs say they absolutely could not comment about rng, slot adjustments, or anything similar. I respect their position and don't want them to lose ther job over blabbing.

[olds442jetaway]

I just typed in a couple of key words and a site called vegaschatter.com came up. In a very recent post, someone states that in Nevada, it is illegal to adjust vp paytables beyond what to expect from the paytables. I don't know if this is true and if it is, if it is also true in Ct. and other places.

[Vman96]

I just typed in a couple of key words and a site called vegaschatter.com came up. In a very recent post, someone states that in Nevada, it is illegal to adjust vp paytables beyond what to expect from the paytables. I don't know if this is true and if it is, if it is also true in Ct. and other places.

It's definitely true in Nevada. It is true in most other states as well. Seeing appendix A from Mohegan compact would help verify the legality of not following the paytable. But since they trust New Jersey's decisions, I would expect CT to follow VP like Nevada and New Jersey does. Unless you see an image of a bingo card of course, which I'm sure you don't.

And everyone who doubts that video poker is dealt from a equally probable deck at random can never answer these question for me in a way to satisfy me logically. If machine returns can be adjusted in other ways than altering the paytable, why do 7/5 DDB (95.71%) paytables ever see the light of day? Shouldn't they be all 9/6 DDB (98.98%) or even 10/6 (100.07%)?

And more importantly, why strip comp earning power from the machines with the higher paytables??? If you could set a VP machine to payback 90% while still displaying a 9/6 DDB paytable, you have plenty of room to act like you're generous with comps. But as it's been seen, Mohegan has completely cut comps off their video poker machines with the best looking paytables. So if the paytable didn't matter, why the hell would the casino do that???

[djc32]

Olds, Do you ever play progressives?
I ask because since you like to play late night /early a.m. and because you play lots of hands at 1 casino , I was just wondering if it might be possible to find some 100+ % returns at Mohegan with a little scouting, especially when the casino isn't as full?

[djc32]

[QUOTE=olds442jetaway] I just typed in a couple of key words and a site called vegaschatter.com came up. In a very recent post, someone states that in Nevada, it is illegal to adjust vp paytables beyond what to expect from the paytables. I don't know if this is true and if it is, if it is also true in Ct. and other places.

And everyone who doubts that video poker is dealt from a equally probable deck at random can never answer these question for me in a way to satisfy me logically. If machine returns can be adjusted in other ways than altering the paytable, why do 7/5 DDB (95.71%) paytables ever see the light of day? Shouldn't they be all 9/6 DDB (98.98%) or even 10/6 (100.07%)?

And more importantly, why strip comp earning power from the machines with the higher paytables??? If you could set a VP machine to payback 90% while still displaying a 9/6 DDB paytable, you have plenty of room to act like you're generous with comps. But as it's been seen, Mohegan has completely cut comps off their video poker machines with the best looking paytables. So if the paytable didn't matter, why the hell would the casino do that???[/QUOTE]

Well said Vman, I completely agree with you!

[olds442jetaway]

Makes a lot of sense Vman, but who knows. I haven't looked into progressives, but might be a good idea. One thing I have noticed. The 1 row of Pickem games in the old poker room is mostly full even in the middle of the night. I think I promised some time ago to look into those paytables. They must be good or they wouldn't have that crowd there. Pickem is not my game, but next trip up, I will check the paytables out. Thought I remembered 600 for the quad, but can't remember what the straight flush pays or if the rest was 15/11 or 15/10.

[WVRadar]

And they will keep doing it so long as players keep playing the games.  They could reduce the odds to 50% and I'll bet (no pun intended) some people will still play .  I might if they offered 1 cent single coin games.



I'm sure the vast majority of Video Poker players have no idea about how the different pay tables affect their play. For a long time a lot of the machines at The Meadows had Jacks or Better at 7/5 and Bonus Poker on the same machine at 7/5. I couldn't understand why anyone would play JorB but you saw it all the time. I think most players are looking for that "Lucky Machine" or one that's "Due" because someone just dropped a bundle in it without cashing out.

[alpax]

This recent video from The American Casino Guide discusses how IGT retains the integrity of randomness on a machine

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/gamb ... ional.html

[Vman96]

I'm sure the vast majority of Video Poker players have no idea about how the different pay tables affect their play. For a long time a lot of the machines at The Meadows had Jacks or Better at 7/5 and Bonus Poker on the same machine at 7/5. I couldn't understand why anyone would play JorB but you saw it all the time. I think most players are looking for that "Lucky Machine" or one that's "Due" because someone just dropped a bundle in it without cashing out.

They have the same set up for the Double STP machines at Blue Chip in Indiana, except it's 6/5. I pointed that out to a few people, and the last time I did that, the guy got 4 Aces for an extra 275 credits. I didn't get a thank you, so I've let it slide the last couple of times I've seen it...

People are brainwashed from the past that Jacks or Better is a "good game". But unless it's 9/6, you can often do better with Bonus Poker with the exact same strategy.