Another Cheap Strategy Royal

[olds442jetaway]

If anyone is interested, Mohegan Sun in Ct. offers many machines with the 25/15/9/4/4/3/2/1 paytable. None of them pay Momentum Dollars, but do pay status tier points. They start at the quarter level. I haven't been to Foxowds in a long time, but last time I was there, this pay schedule wasn't offered at the quarter level. I think the player return is just under 99% if I remember correctly.

[alpax]

I'm not sure what the definition of Airport Deuces exactly is these days.   Traveling around as we do, we see a lot of Deuces pay tables. I avoid games that pay 3 for a full house as it doesn't work well with my Cheap Strategy. The most common quarter game is 100-WR, 60-5K, 4-FH, 4-4K.  The better game is the same except it pays 125 for a WR.  It is common for the casinos to play around with the 5-K.  I have seen it as low as 50. The best paying DW games we have ever played are in Black Hawk Colorado.  We have never been able to play the elusive "full pay deuces" anywhere.  Some day if we feel like testing our blood pressure limit, we may go to Vegas just to see if it really exists.

Airport / Illinois / pseudo NSU is specifically 25-WildRoyal, 15-5oaK, 9-StraightFlush, 4-4oaK, 4-FullHouse, 3-Flush, 2-Straight, 1-3oaK for a perfect play return of 98.91%. I think this is the lowest "playable" (to non-recreational player) game where comps/cashback can bring the game to 100%, provided the hotel room you get is very nice.

I do mostly see 100-wildRoyal and 60-5oaK as well. Those are 97% games. But the biggest difference out of anything is to avoid 3 for a full house if is not a Bonus or Double Bonus Deuces Wild game (where 5 of a kinds pay a lot). If two pairs are drawn, the games where it pays 3 for a full house will require you to drop one of the pairs, even though the 5oak is beefed up to 16 (80 max bet) and straight flush to 13 (65 max bet). 3 for a full house is losing so much from the return that it is not worthwhile.

I think the full pay Deuces Wild machine will still be in Vegas provided you avoid the strip. It is a whole new strategy than what you are used to, you wont see the benefits unless it is in the long long run.

Colorado BlackHawk, Off Strip Vegas, has NSU Deuces which pays 25 for wild royal, 16 for 5oaK, 10 for Straight Flush, while paying 4 for full house and 4oaK. It pays out 99.7283% to those that master it.

Deuces has so many penalty situations

[Vman96]

So if we want to avoid deuces games where the full houses pay 3, does that mean we should avoid full pay deuces too?

I keed, I keed.

And yeah full pay is at a lot of places off strip still. I played it for a few minutes at Red Rock last month. And people were hammering the game at green valley ranch on a Saturday.

[olds442jetaway]

     Full pay deuces would work great with the Martingale clone method I use. 5 for the quads is the key. Unfortunately, in Ct., full pay isn't offered. I hate going for a full house when I have 2 pair on airport deuces, but the math is against me if I don't.

[alpax]

So if we want to avoid deuces games where the full houses pay 3, does that mean we should avoid full pay deuces too?

I keed, I keed.

And yeah full pay is at a lot of places off strip still. I played it for a few minutes at Red Rock last month. And people were hammering the game at green valley ranch on a Saturday.

LOL! I forgot about how full pay deuces wild is Airport Deuces with 5 for a 4oaK and 3 for the Full House. It will require more commitment to master that table for standard the 4 credit 4oaK/Full House players, but it might not be worth it if it is for a few hour session. I will eat my words regardless. !

Strangely on a Saturday night at the Palms casino, I did see people playing 9/6 or 9/5 DDB for quarters without a players card. But nobody played the 6 standalone 10/6 DDB games they had (still got points at $2 coin in per). I read in the past that Bob says people get thrown out of casinos if FPDW is all they play.


Full pay deuces would work great with the Martingale clone method I use. 5 for the quads is the key. Unfortunately, in Ct., full pay isn't offered. I hate going for a full house when I have 2 pair on airport deuces, but the math is against me if I don't.

No need to come up with a betting strategy for a positive expectation game like full pay deuces wild. Just go with a 12000 credit quarter bankroll (3 royal flush payouts to withstand the swings) and have the strategy mastered. Keep playing away and watch your bankroll grow!

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=vman96]So if we want to avoid deuces games where the full houses pay 3, does that mean we should avoid full pay deuces too?[/quote][quote=alpax]I read in the past that Bob says people get thrown out of casinos if FPDW is all they play.[/quote]If I could play full pay deuces I wouldn't play Cheap, I would go back to playing max coin dollars and go for it.  Of course they would probably throw me out!  

[PokerParadise]

Florida Phil, I was using your "system" once again, having hit 4 deuces with single coin twice in the past. This time, I had progressed into the max-coin bet after hitting a full house and I hit this baby...

[alpax]

If I could play full pay deuces I wouldn't play Cheap, I would go back to playing max coin dollars and go for it.  Of course they would probably throw me out!  


As Vman stated, this game is primarily offered at nickels or quarter denomination at some off strip casinos, so max dollar play would not be an option. I think you could play 40k coin in a month without being thrown out. I heard rumors of people playing this game at 1200 hands per hour if they unlock the highest speed settings.

Some places on the outskirts in Nevada have 50 cent denomination according to VPFree. Then again, you would have to commit enough time to master this strategy to play in the long run which might not be feasible for non-Vegas locals.

Florida Phil, I was using your "system" once again, having hit 4 deuces with single coin twice in the past. This time, I had progressed into the max-coin bet after hitting a full house and I hit this baby...



Good stuff PokerParadise! 1 out of every 6 quad deuces would probably be a max coin variety, but you can play much longer with the system and see quad deuces coming your way. The paytable at 97.08% return makes it perfect to use the system.

[Vman96]

I read in the past that Bob says people get thrown out of casinos if FPDW is all they play.


It's possible, but for station casinos at least, you more likely end up getting "no-mailed". But when you play positive games from the get go, expecting any comps on top of that is pretty bold in today's market.

If I could play full pay deuces I wouldn't play Cheap, I would go back to playing max coin dollars and go for it.  Of course they would probably throw me out!  



Good luck finding that game for dollars though. Lol

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]1 out of every 6 quad deuces would probably be a max coin variety, but
you can play much longer with the system and see quad deuces coming your
way[/quote]I've been tweaking my strategy a little lately and found a way to play max coins more often while still keep your loses under control.  As you know, I only bet $20 at a time. I always cash out whenever I reach $50 and put the white ticket in my pocket.  I never play my white tickets unless I hit a max coin royal or quad deuce and I keep those. On many days I find that I have accumulated $200 in white tickets.  When this happens, I switch over to max coins all the time.  Playing this way you are guaranteed to go home with some money and you have a better chance of hitting a max coin jackpot.  It takes discipline to walk out with your white tickets intact, but it's a pretty good way to manage your money.  You could hire a gorilla to hit you over the head if you put one of the white tickets in the machine.