how do you play...

[ko king]

One curious observation I have made is when playing deuces and I have a long dry spell, it usually ends with a decent winning streak.  I don't move around much anymore because of this tendency.  If the game is 99%, it has to come back sometime.  It also seems like when we hit a wild royal the machine goes dead for a significant period of time.  I can't explain any of this and I'm not sure it means anything, I'm just saying...   I never play DDB any more.  My therapy bills were too high.  


I'm with on the thought that it has to come back sometime but sometimes could be a very long time.

[FAA]

sometimes could be a very long time.Unless you're a high roller you can't fund "sometime." It will usually be bust time! Hasta la vista, Ice King! Enjoy fleecing the next victim for $40. The third player will then swoop down and cash in. SMH.

[notes1]

Notes, I see tons of 99% and above pay tables at Cherokee NC. Pretty fair set up; I would be okay with them. Forty credits is $10 on a quarter machine. I usually lose that up front in AC. Gone with the wind. You should be prepared to lose $20 on it before assuming it's an ice cold clunker imo. Of course that's a nasty loss. But hey, at least you're not on a dollar game. 
  i will be honest, i do not know how to compute the paytables, but i do know most every quarter machine at cherokee. i only play DDB and TDB.  every DDB machine around the bars is 6/5 and there is another batch of VP machines near the front bar that are 6/5. they do have 2 other groups of machines that are 8/5 and have some 7/5 sprinkled in.   as i said i do not know how to compute the percentages, but i doubt that 7/5 and 6/5 are in the 99% range.

[alpax]

Provided that I have access to the casino wifi or have 3G/4G coverage on my mobile phone, if I were to blindly enter a new casino (rare these days) I would browse to VPFree2 website on it. I would go to WizardOfOdds and memorize the basic strategy. I would never put myself in such a situation to begin with but thats what I'll do if the time comes.

If you are not sure about the returns for each game, it will be on the Pay Tables section (found on the header)

Quick Link: http://www.vpfree2.com/video-poker/pay- ... uble-bonus

8-5 DDB 96.79%     
7-5 DDB 95.71%     
6-5 DDB 94.66%

Anyone who practices a game with a certain paytable should already know its payback. VPFree says there are 2 banks that have 9-5 DDB (97.87%) for quarters. It is seriously worth finding these even in a large casino like Cherokee. I'd find 3 to 5 line quarter slots to be a more favorable play than the 3 DDB paytables mentioned.

As for the 99% games available at Cherokee, I believe I heard on the Mendelson forum that it is a $5 minimum denomination, and I can confirm on VPFree to be the case.

http://www.vpfree2.com/casino/harrahs-cherokee

If I was playing for status, it is just me even on a tight bankroll, I would save up for 2 big visits a year. Play 1000 hands of $5 JOB on two separate trips, first trip will get you to Platinum, second trip will get you to Diamond. A $3300 bankroll will avoid risk of ruin 95% of the time.

[alpax]

Once I've heard a good amount of stories here where multiple Royal Flushes and 4 Aces with a Kicker were hit on the same machine in a short span, I found that there is no reason to switch machines with a Class III RNG.

[notes1]

 

If I was playing for status, it is just me even on a tight bankroll, I would save up for 2 big visits a year. Play 1000 hands of $5 JOB on two separate trips, first trip will get you to Platinum, second trip will get you to Diamond. A $3300 bankroll will avoid risk of ruin 95% of the time.[/QUOTE]
 appreciate the suggestions. i play for entertainment. i do not play for status, i have been the lowest level diamond member for years. that level does pay off as i get free trip offers, which include airfare for my wife (a non player) and myself. my concern is not about winning, but instead getting the most value for my entertainment dollar.  i have come to understand the value of better paytables, but let's keep in mind that a higher paytable does not guarantee better results. the payout percentage for any machine is based on some infinite time frame. many machines i have played on have been used for 10 years or more. the amount of time that any one of us sits at that machine is minimal compared to it's overall use. i would guess that machines have been taken out of service before they ever hit their expected payout percentage.  i have said this before, the best part of this forum for me, was learning that many were getting the same results as i have gotten. maybe, losers love company.  

[alpax]

Playing 1000 hands is indeed a crap shoot and there are more various outcomes that can result from it. It carries around 34.5% chance of winning (close to 1 out of every 3) at the end of the session. I learned this from a casinocitytimes article found here

http://grochowski.casinocitytimes.com/a ... ines-61089

I've adjusted the numbers in the previous post to reflect $5 denomination than quarters.

Learning about the status quo is also a valuable part I've gotten from the forum. Also I've met company for those who have lost big on playing slots and transitioned late to playing majority VP. For the most part, VP is a losing game to most people, rather than just settle with accepting it, I will strive to get better at the game to extend my play as much as possible with limited bankroll.

[djc32]

if I were to blindly enter a new casino (rare these days) I would browse to VPFree2 website on it. I would go to WizardOfOdds and memorize the basic strategy. I would never put myself in such a situation to begin with but thats what I'll do if the time comes.



Anyone who practices a game with a certain paytable should already know its payback.


Well said Alpax.

The questions is, how many people actually practice at home on the pay table they will be playing at the casino?

IMO ,If your always going to the same casino to play the same pay table , that's what you should be practicing at home.
You shouldn't practice on a 9/6 DDB pay table if your mostly playing 7/5, those little strategy adjustments can make a difference over time.

[FAA]

As for the 99% games available at Cherokee, I believe I heard that it is a $5 minimum denomination, and I can confirm
on VPFree to be the case.Yep! I neglected to check the denomination column, assuming it would be quarter. Wow, pretty ludicrous! I certainly would not touch my good old JOB there. I'd stick to the quarter BP, and their 9/5 DDB if I knew the strategy inside out.

[FAA]

1000 hands carries around 34.5% chance of winning at the end of the session. I learned this
from a casinocitytimes article.Always good to revisit this article. I don't feel quite as bad knowing that 65% of us will be losers after two hours on basic JOB. Of course with the old Phil strategy we can tamp down the losing and hopefully it won't exceed $25! Bet with your head not over it.