Fallen Marines

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all the gun murders listed in other post, equals about one half the annual gun murders in chicago alone. one of the most restrictive cities in america regarding gun ownership.   As of July 1 2015 the number of murders in Chicago was 216, that number has increased by about 15 since; 3 this weekend alone.[/QUOTE]
 i think that equals just about all the number of murders the poster had in his lengthy list, in about 6 months, in just one city, with strict gun controls. i am not a gun owner, but i think about it more, as i get older. not a defender of the NRA, but i am certainly getting more defensive about more of my rights being taken away or curtailed, because some other group always thinks they know what is better for everyone. and, i agree with DB, evil does exist and you just cannot 'talk' to them, sometimes, they need to be confronted and destroyed. i feel for every person destroyed/affected by someone else who for whatever reason, guns them down. but, i am damn tired of political correctness or ideology determining whether one stands up and talks about it. and, that is exactly what POTUS has done. he wasted no time speaking on behalf when one racial group was affected, but not a beep, when an illegal, with an extensive history, kills an innocent girl in SF. why, because it does harm to his immigration policy. he and the 'left' lose all credibility. 

[jetermacaw]

Why is the flag at the White House not at half staff?

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Why is the flag at the White House not at half staff?


 good question.  another question, why did POTUS allow 'rainbow colors' to be shown on WH, when gay marriage approved, but just a couple of days later, on july 4th, no colors.  

[DaBurglar]

  DaBurglar in 2013 10,076 people died in drunk driving crashes in the United States. You are also wrong about the NRA vehemently opposing background checks. Geez...

The NRA wants the right people to own guns; they are just as against people: suffering from mental illness; criminals; and the like, from legally owning guns. DaBurglar if people want a gun in Chicago it's as easily available as a lotto ticket and the NRA has nothing to do with it.100% wrong ....AND, irrelevant.  

[edog743]

On the contrary Da I think his post is very relevant. As Fatz pointed out you do not need a mental evaluation to buy a gun. You do not need one to drive a car either.

[DaBurglar]

On the contrary Da I think his post is very relevant. As Fatz pointed out you do not need a mental evaluation to buy a gun. You do not need one to drive a car either.wtf......First off, what does drunk driving have to do with this?   How is that even remotely related to Guns, Gun violence, ownership, the NRA, dead marines, or the price of cocoa?Ted could not win a debate against himself, let alone anyone else.....The NRA is notorious for opposing ANY further restrictions or "checks" on gun ownership no matter what it is.....you might find some NRA members who say they support background checks before issuing licenses, but the organization routinely opposes any such ACTUAL measure.And how come no one even bothered to notice that I stated another even more compelling fact which makes this entire line of debate almost pointless:  there are so many ILLEGAL & unregistered firearms in this country, the situation is now totally out of control, no matter what government(s) OR the NRA say or do....... go look up the latest story out of Los Angeles, where they found a deceased man in a home that contained 1200 (ONE THOUSAND, TWO HUNDRED) GUNS of all types, caliber and design!!!!  plus two tons of ammo.......WTF?!?!?!?!?

[Minn. Fatz]

June 2015: 9 shot and killed in a church in Charleston, SCFebruary 2015: 7 shot and killed in a home in Tyrone, MODecember, 2014: 6 shot and killed in Montgomery Co., PAOctober 2014: 4 shot and killed in a school in Marysville, WASeptember 2014: 7 shot and killed in a home in Bell, FLJuly 2014: 6 shot and killed in a home in Spring, TXMay 2014: 6 shot and killed in Isla Vista, CASeptember 2013: 12 shot and killed in Washington, DCJuly 2013: 6 shot and killed in Hialeah, FLJume 201: 5 shot and killed in a school in Santa Monica, CAApril 2013: 5 shot and killed, including an unborn child, in Manchester, ILJanuary 2013: 5 shot and killed in South Valley, NM; 3 shot and killed in a school in Hazard, KYDecember 2012: 27 teachers and children shot and killed in a school in Newtown, CTAugust 2012: 6 shot and killed in a church in Oak Creek, WIJuly 2012: 12 shot and killed in Aurora, COApril, 2012: 7 shot and killed in a school in Oakland, CAFebruary 2012: 3 shot and killed in a school in Chardon, OHDecember 2011: 6 shot and killed in a home in Grapevine, TXSeptember 2011: 4 shot and killed in Carson City, NVOctober 2011: 8 shot and killed in Seal Beach, CAJanuary 2011: 6 shot and killed in Tucson, AZJanuary 2010: 8 shot and killed in a home in Appomattox, VANovember 2009: 13 shot and killed in Ft. Hood, TXSeptember 2009: 6 shot and killed in Naples, FLAugust 2009: 3 shot and killed in Bridgeville, PAJuly 2009: 6 shot and killed in TN and ALApril 2009: 13 shot and killed in Binghamton, NYMarch 2009: 18 people and 4 dogs shot and killed in two incidents in AL and NCJanuary 2009: 6 shot and killed in Los Angeles, CA

July 2015: 5 soldiers shot and killed in Chattanooga; 3 shot and killed, 1 seriously wounded in Suwanee, GA

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it is estimated that there approx 300 million guns in america. according to CDC, about 32k deaths from guns. 60% of those deaths are suicides. tragic, but the reality is, some folks are going to end their own life and they will find a way to do it.  11,000 of those deaths via guns were murders. eleven thousand out of a population of over 300 million is 0.000037.   what i was unable to find, was how many of those 11,000 gun murders were related to gangs and drugs. only a guess, but likely a signifcant number.

[DaBurglar]

it is estimated that there approx 300 million guns in america. according to CDC, about 32k deaths from guns. 60% of those deaths are suicides. tragic, but the reality is, some folks are going to end their own life and they will find a way to do it.  11,000 of those deaths via guns were murders. eleven thousand out of a population of over 300 million is 0.000037.   what i was unable to find, was how many of those 11,000 gun murders were related to gangs and drugs. only a guess, but likely a signifcant number.interesting (as well as a little perplexing) data  notes1, thanks for contributing it ...... can I ask where you found these figures (i.e.  what is the source???)       I find it (the actual DATA, not YOU) somewhat curious that it identifies "only"  11,000 MURDERS related to actual GUN violence, when you consider the sheer size of the USA  (300 million plus people now), the number of guns, and that, in just one city like Chitcago, they have many HUNDREDs of Murders every year, year after year, and this is likewise repeated in most big cities across the USA.       Given the number of guns and gangs, and the extent of the absolutely FAILED "war on drugs" the US & State & City Governments fight year after year, I'd almost expect the number to be VASTLY higher......That last point needs to be discussed and expanded:   The so-called "WAR" on drugs, the longest, most pointless and LEAST successful war in US history so far, is the primary driver of all this gun violence, without question.     This issue is so vast, complex and encompassing that people generally AVOID even shallow conversations about it because it is simply "TOO difficult".....I submit that all the folks who insist on vehemently criticizing the current US administration for not "aggressively" going after threats like ISIS would do well to shift that bloodlust and need for revenge to the drug cartels sitting on our border in Mexico, and the Drug producers in South America.......I think that, before another smart bomb or drone is dropped on some Camel Herd in the middle east, the US government should plan, implement and execute  MASSIVE & EXTENSIVE military operations in Mexico and South America aimed at destroying the Drug cartels who, in all honesty are just as brutal and heinous and evil as any muslim fundamentalist.    This is without question.......and in terms of "threat", the TONS AND TONS of illegal & illicit substances that enter the USA everyday and find their way to young adults or even children, and ALL the gang related, DRUG RELATED violence that is fought everyday. is far more URGENT and IMMEDIATE a threat to U.S.   "security"......Seriously, why dont Republican (and Democrat) politicians advocate this seemingly "SOLID"  foreign policy "adjustment"?????      I'll answer my own question with this other discussion piece:    The answer is MONEY.    There is HUGE HUGE money to be made (for a very privileged few) by focusing the US defense posture on the middle east, while it is also know that Criminal Justice (i.e. Law enforcement agencies and bureaus and departments of all levels)  and  "CORRECTIONS" (i.e.  the PRISON system or INDUSTRY)  is a huge money maker and employer in the US today,  plus having all these laws in place and enacted, and having all these "Agencies" in place to enforce them gives government EXTENSIVE reach, power and influence it might not otherwise have.Whenever the Republicans wish to argue in favor of "Smaller and Smaller" government,  please do yourself a favor and see right through their BS ....  the only difference between Democrats & republicans is WHAT each wants to spend and blow taxpayer dollars upon, NOT that simply the Republicans want smaller & less government with less spending while the Democrats wish the polar opposite.       NOTHING has eroded or contradicted or clashed heavier with the US Constitution, nor done more to eliminate American Freedom and rights, than the so called "War on Drugs".....undeniable and OBVIOUS fact.     I further submit that the ongoing  "GUN CONTROL" issue has been warped and blown out of proportion due to the Drug War.....Please, let me hear from others regarding the points and opinions expressed above

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar the United States military just can't waltz into Mexico or South America to go after the drug cartels without cooperation from the governments of Mexico or whatever South American country you allude to. The drug cartels get protection from these same governments and I found it laughable when the United States applied to the Mexican government for extradition rights to El Chappo.

The name of the city you also mentioned is CHICAGO, there is no letter t in the spelling of this city.

Don't lose sight of the original topic of this thread.