Recreational W2G Win

[wildman49]

Nice Hit AL!I have seen you been playing cheap strategy, now is the time to stick with it with your win fall. You will play more often, and play on the casino's dime from now on!

[spxChrome]

Great story and congrats, just for fun players card in or out since it was just the one hand?

[alpax]

Congratulations on the windfall!

Now what? Pay off some bills? Tons of ammo to finace future gambling trips?

Thanks Triple P! I normally play Jacks or Better and still have not gotten the one and only Royal Flush hand that bails out players who play that game. Bankroll could stretch in JoB, but the losses build over time. This hit bailed out the losses I had last year. I can still afford future trips without this hit, but I do not have to worry about taking hitatus until later (I was going to think about taking October off to manage bankroll).

I make sure the bills are covered first and foremost, this video poker play is recreational and should never take priority over life's necessities.



Very nice!   I've hit four $1,000 $5 single coin quad deuces so far this year, but I have yet to hit one for $5K .  You did it right!   Put in a small amount and walk away....   Some people posted some pretty nasty comments when I posted my pot shot strategy a few months ago.    As usual, they read one sentence and made all the wrong assumptions.  Pot shots are fine if you limit them to very small amounts and go back to playing cheap.    Flat betting max coins Dancer style on an overall negative expectation video poker machine is a guaranteed loser no matter who you are or what denomination you are playing!   You can send my commission check via PayPal.  



This shot was totally inspired by your $5 single coin hits in all honesty, so credit goes to you Phil! I do take 2 or 3 shots on a different game aside from Jacks or Better or Deuces Wild. Constantly betting the same amount is guaranteed loss (blackjack players will tell you that for sure), and it is worth taking shots like this without harming the bankroll.

I agree with those two things

1. Only chance to beat a negative expectation game (over a player's life time and not infinity) is to hit jackpots at higher denomination.

2. Quad Deuces happens 8 times more frequent than a Royal, and at the higher denomination will pay the same or similar to a Royal at lower denomination.

All in all no guarantees potshots will work, but its worth a shot. I need a little more success and I'll hit the donation button on the webpage when you set it up

Nice hit alpax, well deserved!
It goes to show that single coin isn't the only way to be successful when taking a pot shot.

Thanks djc32! This is by far the luckiest moment I had, I do not play the dollar video slots since that can quickly eat up bankrolls on a terrible streak. I like Phil's strategy to be honest but I play it a slightly different way (I use max bet on 3 separate denomination although it increases the bet amount/coin in).

I will still do 2 or 3 potshots, but nothing more, it will not shake up the variance too much.

I would do this:

1. If Aces have not appeared for a noticeable stretch, do the potshot on Double Bonus or Double Double Bonus

2. If Deuces have not appeared for a noticeable stretch, do the potshot on Deuces Wild.

3. Or, do a pot shot on Bonus Poker or Jacks or Better. If high pair comes out, do it again until you get 2 pairs or a loss.

No guarantees that it will work out.

Nice Hit AL!I have seen you been playing cheap strategy, now is the time to stick with it with your win fall. You will play more often, and play on the casino's dime from now on!



Thanks wildman49! I hope you will be able to hit quad deuces at max hands. I am aware you played Phil's strategy to fully understand it rather than write it off on paper. Hits at max coins further stretches out that bankroll when returning to playing cheap.

Great story and congrats, just for fun players card in or out since it was just the one hand?

Thanks spx! I can assure you that I did not make this up although it is too good to happen. I did play 9/5 Jacks or Better for a couple of hours, did not allocate much bankroll for it since this is a casino I do not frequent. I did not notice a deuce dealt in the final 10-12 hands or so, I did a potshot like Phil, I put in enough credits for 1 $5 hand and finally saw the deuces dealt. I was happy enough to get 3 dealt since it was $100 guaranteed, but was thrilled that the last deuce came out.

I believe I am under cycled for quad deuces as well since I started playing it (the most recent one was for max bet nickels for $50).

[alpax]

I might not have answered the question directly, but I play with the Players Clubs every where and anytime I play. No exceptions (although ADT based places is not good if you are tripped for small amount of play).

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=alpax]I might not have answered the question directly, but I play with the Players Clubs every where and anytime I play.[/quote]Sometimes I think about not putting my players card in the machine when I'm playing single coin quarters.  I may have this wrong, but I think playing single coin quarters negatively affects my free play offers.  If I play single coin quarters all day without my card then hit a $1,000 pot shot in the high limit room with my card in, it seems like I get free play as if I played all day at max coin quarters.  I would be interested in others thoughts on this subject.I only play max coins when the odds are to my liking or if I'm substantially up for the day.  At some Casinos (the Beau Rivage for example), the odds are so bad I almost never play max coins anymore.  They are so desperate for players in Biloxi that they will give a free room to anyone that can fog up a mirror.   They'll even fly you there on "Sucker Airlines"

[olds442jetaway]

Wtg....super... Now for the math...You can play 33.3 Fla Phil trips not hitting anything and losing $ 150 bucks each trip on that 5k. That won't happen of course and some trips will have great endings. Nice to know though that you will be covered for many trips to come... Congrats..Olds..

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=olds442jetaway]Now for the math...You can play 33.3 Fla Phil trips not hitting anything and losing $ 150 bucks each trip on that 5k.[/quote]Players that think the Cheap Strategy is unworkable should digest this post fully.  Limiting losses long term accompanied by keeping your occasional higher denomination winnings is a viable way to play overall negative expectation video poker games.  Are you going to be lucky enough to hit a $5,000 quad deuce on your first hand? Probably not.  Will playing Cheap give you have a good chance of hitting enough higher denomination hands to keep you in the game?  If you have confidence enough to stick to it, I say yes.  Will you give back your bigger wins if you don't go back to playing Cheap?  I guarantee it. Will breaking even the majority of the time and being excited about an occasional $1,000 win sell books or get you your own radio show?  Heck no!  Will playing Cheap able you to play video poker longer and keep your loses manageable?  Of course.  There is nothing wrong or deceitful about Bob Dancer's strategy or methodology in the environment he plays in.  I don't know him personally and he doesn't know me, so we are not qualified to judge each others character.  His world is 100% games, big denominations with no limits and abundant comps.  My world is significantly negative odds, a very limited bankroll and minimal comps.  He has figured out a way to survive and prosper in his world and I have done the same.[quote=alpax]I would do this:

1. If Aces have not appeared for a noticeable stretch, do the potshot on Double Bonus or Double Double Bonus

2. If Deuces have not appeared for a noticeable stretch, do the potshot on Deuces Wild.

3. Or, do a pot shot on Bonus Poker or Jacks or Better. If high pair comes out, do it again until you get 2 pairs or a loss.
[/quote]Results from previous hands do not in any way affect the results of future hands.  Is there anything wrong with thinking the above and playing that way?  Heck no!  Part of the fun of recreational video poker is having hunches like that and watching them come true.  As long as you don't bet the farm on these ideas, it hurts nothing.

[djc32]

I like Phil's strategy to be honest but I play it a slightly different way (I use max bet on 3 separate denomination although it increases the bet amount/coin in).


IMO, if someone has access to 5c games,Your adjustment to this strategy seems like a much better choice. And if the 5c and 25c games share the same pay table, the obvious choice.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=wjc32]And if the 5c and 25c games share the same pay table, the obvious choice.[/quote]I don't play max coin nickels because the nickel odds I have seen are worse than the lousy quarter odds.  If you could find the same odds in nickels, I would play max coins and switch between the games.  I don't play max coin quarters and switch to dollars because it would take a lot more than my $250 a day bankroll to do that.  If you have the bankroll, I think playing Cheap Strategy with max coins and switching games would work great.  I tried it once and it wasn't too cumbersome to do so, it just costs more to play that way. 

[djc32]

I don't play max coin nickels because the nickel odds I have seen are worse than the lousy quarter odds.  If you could find the same odds in nickels, I would play max coins and switch between the games. 


If you are playing 98.9%(25/15/9) DW , doesn't single coin bring it down to like 97.7%?

And if the 5c pay table gets reduced down to say the 97.6%(20/12/10) pay table, it's practically the same RTP.

I'm sure there would be strategy adjustments between the 2 pay tables, but the $ 200 royal compared to $62.50 would make it worth learning.

But if the 5c games gets reduced to the even worse 96.8% pay table, paying 3 for a FH , based on your strategy, I can see why you'd choose single coin @ 25c.