Racism still rampant in police departments

[oobla]

100% right ted.

[jetermacaw]

A VP players hands are his or hers livelihood. 💰😎

[Tedlark]

I was actually going to include a poker player's hands jeter. A video poker player could at least touch the screen with their tongue to hold/discard cards and to bet one coin.

[DaBurglar]

A VP players hands are his or hers livelihood. 💰😎 Yeah certainly that's one way to phrase it, I'd be inclined in the case of VP gamblers to call it "deadlihood" (or perhaps "DUD-li-hood") and not Livelihood because we ultimately wind up clobbered and in a hole, unless of course you are just there for the "entertainment" and the money doesn't matter  Buwaahahaaaa       It's always funny to hear people (myself included) rationalize or console oneself over losing yet again at VP with some spiel about how it's all "Entertainment" when in reality, one does not feel (or even act like) one was just "entertained".....What does that have to do with original topic?   Not too much, although a wide angle tangent can be outlined by the fact that, since we live in a voyeuristic society with very few people able to carry on deep conversations, increasingly we look to watching such spectacles as a form of.......you guessed it.....ENTERTAINMENT.For some others, this thread and the ensuing "keyboard cacophony" is entertainment....This is the ONLY website, or forum, that I frequent or participate on these days......I am NOT present or active anywhere else.   No Facehook, no Instagroan, no Twit.....errrr, no Snapchit.......just VP.com (with a focus on it's NON VP sliver relative to the rest of the whole site.     I find this "entertaining" while I pursue what passes as my Livelihood these days, toggling betwixt Ebay (and/or the occasional other auction-site or e-commerce platform/website).....

[DaBurglar]

A plumber's hands are his livlihood; a carpenter's hands are his livlihood; an electrician's hands are his livlihood; a janitor's hands are his livlihood; a truck driver's hands are his livlihood, and the list goes on. Recognize a pattern?

The man FAILED TO OBEY A LAWFUL POLICE ORDER. When I have a moment I'm going to attempt to find more details on what actually specifically transpired, what was said or uttered and by whom, etc.  But either way this point you insist on harping on as the "bottom line/ultimate justification" for what ultimately is an obvious excessive and deliberate misuse of force is one of the reasons (not the only one but a primary one) this issue of Police Dysfunction continues to happen.   It's also an example of cops making a job that clearly can be uncertain and dangerous at times, all the more dangerous and uncertain.   This was a PARKING Violation, an obvious case of a very COLD late evening, with the parking lot mostly/completely empty, where this professional athlete (who it later is revealed assumed the cops must know and recognize him and is subsequently baffled as to why they'd be making him go thru all this and treating him this way, not to mention the fact he really wasn't doing anything anyway) made the understandable choice to sit idling in his car while his companion/passenger runs inside for something quick and brief.....Police notice him sitting there, a large African American Male, and instead of just asking him to "MOVE" and/or park properly in a proper space, initiate the ensuing confrontation and incident which ultimately results in the POLICE creating yet another legal and ethical headache for themselves.....Let's get this part out of the way:   When a police officer requests you to do something, you should indeed comply, unless there is some overarching reason not to.....whatever they asked the player to do, you can clearly see from the scene the following important points:    He is standing there, calm and non combative, speaking in a reasonable and respectful manner while trying to not notice the cold, and while he is surrounded by at least six (6) cops watching him closely.     A lot of time transpires up to the moment they  ask him something like "take your hands out of pockets" 9I assume that is what they said or did)   They did not give him enough time to comply before leveling him to the ground.The subsequent tasering, the comments caught on tape and the guy standing on his ankle, the moment they realize WHO they've actually messed with, the Mayor's comments and actions as well as the Chief's comments and actions ALL show clearly that these guys really screwed around and got caught.

[Carcounter]

DB, Whatever you feel about this particular case, the pattern we see is apparent. You always seem to find videos or articles exposing bad police behavior, but I have yet to see you comment on 2 NYC police officers (who btw were minorities) being ambushed and shot to death, or any other number of shootings of police by civilians. A little balance here would be good.

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar you brought up that a player's hands were important tools to him and he was obviously "protecting" these important tools. You were the one who brought hands into this thread.

[Tedlark]

Where is DaCommentary on the two San Diego police officers that were shot overnight? The alleged perpetrator was wearing body armor.

[DaBurglar]

Where is DaCommentary on the two San Diego police officers that were shot overnight? The alleged perpetrator was wearing body armor. I had not heard about this story until just now.......but my point, as always has to do with the need (indeed the REQUIREMENT) that law enforcement agencies of all levels and types MUST be free of any type of prejudice and unfair bias.    Sitting here and looking at every single solitary instance that involves violence where either the officers or suspects, or both, are shot, is NOT the point or the proper method......analyzing the OVERALL DATA to determine trends (one way or the other) is the way to go......and the overall encompassing data show what has been known since the early 1900s when statistics started to be collected, and (shortly after in the 1920s a National/Federal law enforcement agency, the FBI cam into existence)......racism against African Americans, in both the streets and in the courtrooms, has been endemic.Now I shall take a moment and read about the two San diego police officers and edit/update my post accordingly .......please stand by.Edited after reading several different reports of the San Diego incident Ted referenced earlier:Ok, while it seems this is yet another ridiculous, pointless tragic waste of life and property, what precisely was it that you wanted me to see in terns of the relevance of racism in law enforcement and the filling of suspects of color?https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/24/us/san-d ... x.htmlThis is but one of at least four different articles I read on this particular incident......what is the specific aspect or detail or element of this San Diego tragedy that you wanted me to notice above and beyond what we are already talking about????   In this case, the guy blew his own brains out after shooting two of the officers, wounding his wife (or live in girlfriend, I couldn't be clear on who she was or the relationship particulars exactly, but it appears this was a DOMESTIC disturbance which resulted in the perpetrator torching thew whole complex).    My point is simple.....as AWFUL as the world continues to become, the job of law enforcement can only become more difficult and strained.   But they train, they adapt, they overcome as the high quality, high integrity, high moral individuals they are (for the most part.)   Under no circumstances however, does the difficulty they face  each day in the fight against crime  JUSTIFY or EXCUSE them from forsaking the standards of conduct and ethical requirements they must adhere to.   It's that simple......you don't excuse wrong conduct by simply pointing out "Well  HE (the criminal) did it!!!!!"