hot /cold machines

[Eduardo]

rolan, are you talking to yourself? Why are you painting ap players to be exactly what they are not? You are the master of diversion/misdirection as we have seen in the past in your strategy thread a while back.


 
How about we keep this simple... tell us what percentage of players will win using your strategy over 1,5, and 20 sessions and what bankroll is required in the worst case.

[Ricardo]

Your entire claims (and credibility) goes down the drain.Shadowman, I'm a little confused here.  Since it's fairly easy to figure out the best play on every hand of video poker, why would someone think that they could do better by sometimes on purpose not making the best play?  I mean, I don't always know the best play and I'm sure I make mistakes sometime, but with most games video poker software is available to help you.  If you had 100 hands to play why in the world would you want to make the 2nd, 3rd, or worse play on some of those hands when the best play is available for you?  Don't these people know that your winnings on 100 hands is equal to the total of the wins on each hand?  And if you pick the best cards to hold on each hand, the "expected value" of each hand will be the greatest that you can hope for, so the "expected value" for 100 hands will also be the greatest that you can hope for?Same thing for 1000 hands and 10,000 hands.  That is not a real hard concept, is it?  I see where you could win more sessions by making occasional substandard plays, but the total "expected value" would have to go down when choosing such plays if that was your goal.But what confuses me most is your statement above that I put in the box.  I suppose that I could have missed that message in skimming through the rubble, but in my reading through a lot of messages here and I didn't see where rolanddude ever established any credibility in the first place.  So, it couldn't really go down the drain, could it?

[rolanddude]

My oh my!!!  Shadowman is still willing to proclaim that I am RS ...I guess it's time for videos again...  OH THAT'S RIGHT>>>SHADICK WON'T WATCH THEM...  He said the first one told him all that he needs to know... That's a cop-out from a lying, hypocritical, addicted, old man who after years of playing VP the "married to the "math" expect to lose way" has touted that he is now more educated and is profiting from playing VP. 
Tell us how YOU do it.... SPECIFICALLY... NOT THEORETICALLY... 
 
My guess is that you won't because YOU CAN'T ...  Hypocrit.  Hell, you can't even accept that I am not RS.  You are right about the fact that cave men would be able to tell us apart.  SORRY YOUR HAVING TROUBLE OLD MAN...This alone shows how messed up in the head you are...  
 
Just so everyone realizes what it took IF you really collected on Treasure Islands baseball game promo...  10,000 points =  $50,000 gambled...  You can get the BEST seats behind home plate at a Twins Game for $59.  If you and the 225 others sit in a private suite...well how private is it with 225 in it?  Again try to go on the 27th so you get a FREE tote bag too...  that is another $5 to add to your "winnings". 
 
Why did everyone here ignore what Rascal posted about this... NO VP GAME CAN BE BEATEN FOLLOWING AP...  THE "MATH" WILL NOT LET YOU WIN.   (unless you try to justify your addiction by including the comps and freebies in which you would be further ahead to just pay for them up front!)  I didn't see you or anyone from your little army say a word to Rascal for admitting that VP can't be beat.  Just more HYPOCRISY that I have EXPOSED about the contributors to this forum...
 
Since you will not come clean and ever show us your specific "gameplan" for beating VP you can FOREVER know that YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED on here as an old man that CAN'T tell us what you do...step by step (i.e. start with this amount of bankroll, look for this specific game, employ a steady rhythm between hands, etc. etc.) .  You CAN'T do this because YOU do not actually realize the results that you proclaim you do in this forum.  ADMIT IT ...  YOU'VE ONLY BEEN HOPING TO WIN... not actually winning!
 
Go ahead and try to compare Dick tac toe to VP. And dish out your "math is math" vague bull sh#t.   Simple elementary math would actually shine a bright light onto the CON that you have been pulling here for years... Figure out this MATH problem...  
 
(Dick's Starting Bankroll since he has become an expert AP braggert) - (Dick's Actual Results excluding all "hypothetical" comp value) = Less money than Dick had when he started (it would have too... according to "the math")  
 
Now see if you all remember this from your elementary school days...
 
SEE DICK RUN.
 
 
Go on and try to duck, evade, dodge, try to out-do me with snide remarks...   FACT IS  that you have NEVER told this forum exactly what you do in specifics... just generalities.  Nobody here even remotely cares or wants to hear you go on about Dick tac toe.  Everyone wants you to educate us on your specific routine that produces the wins you claim.  
 
YOUR A FAKE DICK "ARCHIMEDES" MUSTAIN!!!    (SPECIFICALLY TYPED BY ME>>>JOE CARTER>>>without ANY outside help)   

[rolanddude]

EDUARDO/RICARDO,

Wouldn't you also like to know exactly what Shadowman does to win 8 years in a row overall like he has claimed?
 
 
 
 

[Eduardo]

rolan, if you don't know how shadowman plays then you don't understand AP play and there is no point in you criticising it.

[royal flush]

rd why dont you both keep it constrctive like most folks whom show trip reports, restraurant-entertainment reports locations of various games-paytables. shadowman's posts are constructive helping many newcomers to this site. you are the king of selling your music videos or your video service

[cddenver]

Everyone wants you to educate us on your specific routine that produces the wins you claim.  
 
 
You have yet to demonstrate a specific routine yourself that gives better results over time than AP.
 
Again RD, you keep diverting the discussion from the issue at hand:  the relative merits of play over time of AP as opposed to any kind of unconventional play.  Knocking AP does nothing to show that unconventional play is better so far as bottom line dollars over time goes, when all play is included.
 
At this point we'll also go ahead and assume that some sort of unrandomness in VP machines is required for long term dollar success with any kind of unconventional play.  More specifically, unrandomness that can be keyed on to a player's advantage.  The safe thing to assume is that these assertions of unrandomness are made not with any upfront evidence that it's there, but tacked on at the back end of unconventional strategies that fail any systematic testing, to make results look better. 

[Ricardo]

Why would I care about Shadowman's profit/loss?  I can figure out myself that it is a good idea to seek out the best pay schedules and then make the best plays.  And if he did that well enough, why wouldn't he be able to profit?  No mystery there.  You need to understand that there are very few people in the world that have the same hatred/envy of him that you and your Siamese twin have.  So, your need to know his personal data does not translate to everyone needing to know.I can understand why the two of you are jealous though.  Both of you claimed to play the same way shadowman played for years yet you lost...evidently big enough to be fairly bitter about it.  What is not logical is that the two of you have concluded that if you couldn't win that way then nobody could.  Of course you could have been incredibly unlucky, but then again, you might not have been disciplined enough to always remember the right play or only play on good machines.  It's harder to make the best play in casinos than on a computer that checks your work.  Some people are just not cut out to play perfect enough to profit.  No shame in that.  But there should be shame in criticizing those few that are able to do it.By the way, he's probably a better bowler than you two are also...even if he uses the math you dread to determine which board to hit for his strike ball.

[royal flush]

rd 7-10 split

[rolanddude]

... shadowman's posts are constructive helping many newcomers to this site... His posts are generic, theoretical, cryptic with a hint of piousness.  He sounds as if he somehow "knows" and has "found the secret"... he should just as well say"Keep searching Danielson till you find the answers on your own"
 
You guys try to come running to his rescue constantly whenever he is being challenged.  He is your Master here.  He thrives upon that.  The only thing that both he and his loyal troops have here is a theoretical world in which you all are clinging to the hope of attaining theoretical results. 
 
You act as if your world is being threatened just because I ask the "foundation" of all question making...   Tell the forum exactly What, Where, When, and How.  Key word... "exactly".  Dick can't, CD can't, royalflush can't, New2VP can't, Eduardo can't, all of your aliases can't, etc.
 
I am not attacking Advantage Play players.  I agree with Rascal and his assessment that playing VP following the AP Strategy is a guaranteed loser.  I just want to know these basic things from one who claims to have won for 8 straight years. 
 
You guys surely can't compare the magnitude of me winning my last 3 trips using RS's playing techniques to Shadows claims that he has honed a method through AP that has won for 8 straight years. (And he plays ALOT).  I am humbled that you claim I should show people here how my play beats EV.   Any sane individual would be MORE INTERESTED in the playing techniques of the player who has the more impressive claim...you give him a pass...  WHY DON'T YOU GUYS & GALS WANT TO KNOW HIS ANSWERS?  ("What" game/machine?, "Where" can we find them?, "When" are the promos taking place?,  "How" can we come out ahead?)
 
Instead, you all seem happy to hear him preach to "Newbies" that AP is VP Law...the math is settled.  OK, fine...   SHOW ME HOW TO PROFIT LIKE YOU DO!  Hold him accountable!   Hell, Hold yourselves accountable!!