What is the liklihood of Casino cheating at VP?

[DaBurglar]

  I'm going to disagree with you.... about drug money laundering being a problem for Nevada Gaming Commission Daburglar. zwaszz asked about Nevada gaming but you did a wonderful job of recapping New Jersey though. You mentioned that.... complaining to gaming commissions is.... not going to help (us).... so why did you make the visit(s) to the New Jersey Gaming Commission office on Tennessee Ave?....
 I clearly stated that I have NEVER actually dealt with the Nevada Gaming commission directly on ANYTHING, all my knowledge and insight on Nevada is from secondhand sources, mainly people I know who have dealt with them.....the police and sheriffs in Vegas in particular often work and coordinate with Nevada gaming commission on many things, for obvious reasons, and they have stated on many instances going all the way back to the mid 1990s that money laundering is a HUGE concern with casinos EVERYWHERE....surely you do not have a problem understanding the whys and wherefores of that, do you?????? As to why I said visiting gaming commissions is not going to help, I say that AFTER I personally have spent the past several years trying to get such help or action......see if you can follow this:   in 2009, having just started visiting AC and playing there, I began to see that video poker is quite different than what I am used to, so I start going to the New Jersey gaming office (on Tennessee avenue) sometime around early 2010, while also actively seeking out anyone who works in AC casinos for their input on what is going on with my crappy results.   After (AFTER) going back and forth with these people and offices, I ultimately came to the CONCLUSION that the gaming commission is either unwilling or unable or not interested (or all three) in looking into video poker results that are well below expectations.    Do you get it?????   I tried to get help or insight from New Jersey's commission, but ultimately only learned how bad things are, no real help or action was given.    So now, I can personally say with conviction, I do not believe complaining to New Jersey will help a player in any real terms.......  edited to add:   I just remembered I ddid actually (briefly) know a woman who was a FORMER gaming control agent in the city of Reno back in 1998 or 1999, and her domain as an agent was the casinos around tahoe, stateline and outside of Reno.  She had quit and was now working for the city of Reno itself.   She spoke of her time as an agent with more negative sentiment than positive, saying the hours can be hellish and you do not have many friends since the agency requires you to remain free of any possible personal entanglements, since most people working in cities like Vegas and Reno work for or with casinos in some capacity, or at the very least play and stay and eat in casinos.....but I never discussed game rigging or anything like that with her...... this might make a good thread elsewhere, the dilemma of casino security personel and gaming agents getting to know others.....I know its a fact that in casinos the people who work in casino security are not allowed to fraternize or develop close relationships with the employees in other departments....in fact, they enter and leave through seperate entrances and park in different areas!   

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar the amount of time needed to invest by those in the illegal drug trade make it not worth the effort when trying to launder money. There are many other ways for them to accomplish in one transaction compared to the many number of transactions needed when doing it in a casino environment, to launder the same amount of money.
 
  Have you ever given thought that maybe you were given the brushoff when you visited the New Jersey Casino Control Commission office ON TENNESSEE AVE because:a)they thought you were a quack, or b) they thought you were just another disgruntled gambler that felt they got cheated somehow in a New Jersey casino?
 
  What are some of the "obvious" reasons that Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Dept. would interact with Nevada Gaming Commission investigators?
 
  As for the rest of your post about casino security guards, etc. not being allowed to fraternize or develop close relationships with the employees in other departments; I think I saw that in the same Oceans Eleven movie that you did.
 
  Edited to add; I just remembered that I try to remain free of getting entangled in spiderwebs but there was this one time when I got entangled in a FORMER spider web in my garage. I can say FORMER because after I walked through it I took the broom and knocked the rest of it down.

[DaBurglar]

  DaBurglar the amount of time needed to invest by those in the illegal drug trade make it not worth the effort when trying to launder money. There are many other ways for them to accomplish in one transaction compared to the many number of transactions needed when doing it in a casino environment, to launder the same amount of money.
Totally wrong and ignorant statement.    Laundering money is a hugely complex and diverse endeavor, and casinos (and horse racing tracks, and strip clubs...and any business that deals in large amounts of cash on a daily basis) are an ideal environment in which to simply "wash" cash as a first step to investing it in some of the other LARGER enterprises that you allude to,....I do not believe you are that stupid or ignorant as to not understand or see this but instead this is just another attempt by you to just automatically disagree with me as an excuse to stalk my posts.  I am sure EVRRYONE here can fathom how criminals (drug dealers, thieves et al) can and do use casinos as part of their efforts to launder their ill gotten gains   
  Have you ever given thought that maybe you were given the brushoff when you visited the New Jersey Casino Control Commission office ON TENNESSEE AVE because:a)they thought you were a quack, or b) they thought you were just another disgruntled gambler that felt they got cheated somehow in a New Jersey casino? Have I ever thought any of this?  sure I have, which is why (one of the reasons) I have gone back, and back, and back over the course of several years and asked different questions, or the same question worded differently, to several different people there.   What else should I do or think?   Whats your point?   That I should just give up?   Or are you saying I should ask for some type of sworn statement from them saying they are not giving me the run around?    Maybe a polygraph?      I mean come on, we all live with the possibility in all areas of life that the people we meet and deal with could be just blowing us off or humoring us or even deliberately deceiving us or trying to annoy us.....whats the solution, give up and remain dormant and secluded and take no action or stand?
 
  What are some of the "obvious" reasons that Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Dept. would interact with Nevada Gaming Commission investigators?    Same as the New jersey State police with the NJ gaming commission, as witnessed just in this most recent event of cheating at the Borgata....it was a joint investigation and as it turned out the state police, with the AC city police, raided and apprehended the suspect at the motel in AC.    Once again you must be the only person on this site who cannot fathom how or why law enforcement agencies cooperate and liason with casino gaming agencies in states with casinos.   unreal......who do you think the Nevada gaming agents would call if they clearly identified a drug dealer, or terrorist for that matter, who was using the casino to launder money or make payment for some nefarious plot???  Cheating is investigated by Nevada's gaming agents, the culprits are arrested and apprheneded by state or city police, and prosecuted by state attornies....duh
 
  As for the rest of your post about casino security guards, etc. not being allowed to fraternize or develop close relationships with the employees in other departments; I think I saw that in the same Oceans Eleven movie that you did.
 
  Edited to add; I just remembered that I try to remain free of getting entangled in spiderwebs but there was this one time when I got entangled in a FORMER spider web in my garage. I can say FORMER because after I walked through it I took the broom and knocked the rest of
 In addition to people i know, I also learned this NOT from Oceans 11 but from a Travel Channel special that featured the head of Bellagio Casino Surveillance.     I am sorry you have a huge arachnid problem in your domicile.   Buy a can of  RAID the next time you win at video poker,

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar I'm sorry but I didn't witness this most recent event of cheating at the Borgata, I merely read about it in various print and online media reports.
 
  The spider was in my garage, not in my domicile. Why would I need a can of Raid? I had no intent of killing the spider; only a person of low moral value would think to use such a harmful chemical on a spider.

[olds442jetaway]

I still think spiders in the house are good luck. Besides, they eat other unwanted pests. If I have to remove one once in awhile, I catch it in a wet paper towel without crushing it and put it down somewhere out of the way. I have had the same car ( my every day car) for 12 years now and the same " tribe" has been living in it all that time. They are albino spiders of some sort. As soon as I park the car in the evening somewhere, they come out and start running around all over the hood, roof, trunk, etc. Sometimes as many as 15 or 20 at once. They are pretty small too. They also know to disappear when the car starts. I know you are really going to think I am nuts now, but sometimes when I step out of the car and they are running around, I call them and some of them come to me!! You would have to see it to believe it. Needless to say, they have made many trips to the casino, but never gave me any vp tips that are worthwhile. I guess they are just smart and don't play.

[Tedlark]

  No worries olds, as far as nuts go around here I'm pretty much considered by a Dafew to be at the top of that list. When it comes to me killing a spider I ask myself one question; what did the spider do to me? I then go from there. I agree with everything else you said about spiders.

[BillyJoe]

I still think spiders in the house are good luck. Besides, they eat other unwanted pests. If I have to remove one once in awhile, I catch it in a wet paper towel without crushing it and put it down somewhere out of the way. I have had the same car ( my every day car) for 12 years now and the same " tribe" has been living in it all that time. They are albino spiders of some sort. As soon as I park the car in the evening somewhere, they come out and start running around all over the hood, roof, trunk, etc. Sometimes as many as 15 or 20 at once. They are pretty small too. They also know to disappear when the car starts. I know you are really going to think I am nuts now, but sometimes when I step out of the car and they are running around, I call them and some of them come to me!! You would have to see it to believe it. Needless to say, they have made many trips to the casino, but never gave me any vp tips that are worthwhile. I guess they are just smart and don't play.
OK - albino spiders that come when called...
 
Gosh, I love this site !

[olds442jetaway]

Ted, we may have something else in common besides cars and spiders. I think I read in a recent post that you are a member of the Cherokee Nation. On my mom's side, the family came down south to the southwestern part of Virginia in the late 1600s from Mass. Anyway, my great great great grandmother was a Cherokee Native American. I have to get some more info from my mom who is now 87, but I think it goes back to the late 1700s or early 1800s. I will have to research it further. Just back from another trip to Mohegan Sun casino. Now nearly 300k hands without a Royal, but deuces quads and a couple of nice hits on the Multi-Strike nickel machine bailed me out again. A long time slot tech at Mohegan told me that in slot tech school, IGT would not give details on their program. I asked if he thought it was completely a RNG program. His reply was a" partial" rng whatever that means, but set to conform to the guidelines set by the State of Ct. So here we are still without answers other than they are conforming to percentages as set by State guidelines.

[olds442jetaway]

Just a little follow up to my post below and additional info a long time slot tech provided to me today at Mohegan Sun. I have no way of knowing if this is correct. He also didn't act like it was any big secret or anything. He told me that 3 casinos in Vegas are now using a program on slots that lets them adjust the payback percentages from a computer in the offices while the machine is being played. He said that they are doing this to people who are on a real hot streak. He also said that Mohegan Sun does not have the technology for this yet and he did not know if the program is being used just on slots or on vp too. He did not name the casinos and I don't know if he knows or did not want to say. I didn't push it and he did not disclose any privy info that I know of about Mohegan Sun either and I would not want him to. He also referred me to the public record sites which I already knew about for return percentages. Unfortunately, slots and vp are lumped together. Bottom line, the mystery continues. One final item. Evidently, the casino knows exactly what payback percentage on slots that a patron will get so disgusted on losing their money, that they won't come back. For that reason on the very low denomination machines, they set them higher around 87% vs the allowed 83%. Either way they are both terrible, but I guess that 83 number makes patrons disappear forever.

[Tedlark]

  olds the Cherokee bloodline is on my mom's side of the family as well, my sister has been spending some time researching the lineage.
 
  As for your streak of no royals I must regretfully report to you that I got 2 this past Saturday night playing my favorite Dreamcard machine at Four Winds in New Buffalo, MI. I was playing my normal .10 denomination, got dealt 4 to the royal on 10 play and I pulled 2 of them out of the fire. I ended up a couple hundred bucks for the night. I drove home at 3:00 am in a snowstorm so bad that I spent half the drive home driving without headlights because my headlights were reflecting so badly off the blinding snow.
 
  Hopefully you'll see the end to your royal drought.