Are These Games Rigged?

[FloridaPhil]

I have no idea what you are talking about.  A positive VP game as defined by Bob Dancer is a VP game where the odds plus the comps put the expected return over 100%.   Do I have this right?   Now, let's see someone claim my $100.  

[markinca]

I have no idea what you are talking about.  A positive VP game as defined by Bob Dancer is a VP game where the odds plus the comps put the expected return over 100%.   Do I have this right?   Now, let's see someone claim my $100.  




How is that hard to understand? Any positive VP paytable will result in a +EV play. Many negative VP paytables will also result in a +EV play.

[billryan]

I have no idea what you are talking about.  A positive VP game as defined by Bob Dancer is a VP game where the odds plus the comps put the expected return over 100%.   Do I have this right?   Now, let's see someone claim my $100.  



You've been given the answer several times now. You owe JStark the $100. Anyone want to offer odds on this ever getting paid?

[FloridaPhil]

I will pay him when and if he identifies the game and the comps showing an over 100% expected return.   I suppose he's living a "nice lifestyle" off the Hard Rock as well?  That figures...    Smoke and mirrors won't work this time.   How about one of you guys coming up with something useful for a change?  Do positive VP opportunities exist in Florida or don't they?

[Jstark]

I will pay him when and if he identifies the game and the comps showing an over 100% expected return.   Smoke and mirrors won't work this time.   This is what you get when you pin one of these fairy tales down.  More BS.....



I dont want your money. And I gave you any example of a 100%+ play. And you DO NOT need to use a players card for them either. I'm also not suggesting that you should quit your normal way to play to pick of multipliers. I just wanted to point out that there are 100%+ plays in your casinos.

[FloridaPhil]

So your winning strategy is to circle ULTX machines like a buzzard and hope people leave multipliers behind?  Seriously?  Yikes!  Bob Dancer's secret is out.... 

[markinca]

So your winning strategy is to circle ULTX machines like a buzzard and hope people leave multipliers behind?  Seriously?  Yikes!  Bob Dancer's secret is out.... 

Boy, talk about moving the goalposts. Your challenge was for someone to tell you a >100% play. JStark did that. You didn't ask for a way to make a living off of VP in Florida.

[FloridaPhil]

I said I would pay to see a positive VP game in Florida, not a scheme thought up by a panhandler.  Why don't you just walk around and pick tickets up off the floor?  Since I have been on this forum, many have said they exist but I won't play them.   OK, so where are they?  My offer still stands.

[Jstark]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]
So your winning strategy is to circle ULTX machines like a buzzard and hope people leave multipliers behind?  Seriously?  Yikes!  Bob Dancer's secret is out.... 

Boy, talk about moving the goalposts. Your challenge was for someone to tell you a >100% play. JStark did that. You didn't ask for a way to make a living off of VP in Florida.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I didnt say you'll make a living in Florida doing this. I proved there are greater than 100% opportunities there and that's all that was asked. As for Bob, I believe he said he doesn't do those plays and doesn't need to. I will if I see them, but I don't make a habit of it.

[billryan]

[QUOTE=FloridaPhil]
So your winning strategy is to circle ULTX machines like a buzzard and hope people leave multipliers behind?  Seriously?  Yikes!  Bob Dancer's secret is out.... 

Boy, talk about moving the goalposts. Your challenge was for someone to tell you a >100% play. JStark did that. You didn't ask for a way to make a living off of VP in Florida.[/QUOTE]

I've said this before, but it is worth repeating- Florida Phil has a very strange relationship with the truth. It's almost as if he is allergic to it.