SOOPER DOOPER.....Bowl time!

[DaBurglar]

Yes very close too. Glad the Pats won, but I still don't think one team was any better than the other. Still can't get that play call out of my head. I don't bet on sports so that part didn't matter to me, I just simply cannot understand it unless the Seahawks feared a fumble on the run. Makes no sense at all. Oh, I cannot talk about the game just yet, it is still too soon after the excitement!AH, on second thought, speaking objectively and as a football FAN and not a partial New England fan.......this game was truly one of the most exciting super bowls ever!   BOTH TEAMS were clearly evenly matched for the most part, but with huge differences in strengths and style of play, such that during various periods of the game, it looked like ONE TEAM was going to dominate the other.......New England clearly owned Seattle during the first half statistically (despite that AWFUL tom brady interception in the first quarter when the Pats were about to score), but AFTER taking a 14-7 lead, during the last minute of the first half, when New England allowed Seattle to march down the field in 35 seconds and TIE the game up 14-14 at halftime, that was a HUGE break for Seattle leading into the 3rd quarter......Seattle came out and DOMINATED New England for the entire 3rd quarter (getting Brady to toss another interception) and for the first 5 minutes of the 4th quarter!Somehow, trailing 24-14 with under 9 minutes to go the Pats pulled it out, but not before a FLURRY of events happened in the finals 3 minutes to cement this particular Super Bowl's legacy as possibly the most exciting of all time!     Yes, I admit, that last play call by seattle/pete carroll was baffling to say the least and horrible to say the most/worst, but in my mind it was simply JUSTICE being done for the patriots (who lost the previous two super bowls they were in on last second MIRACLE catches by the other team, the Giants).......the ridiculously LUCKY catch by the seattle receiver Kearse two plays before the game ending interception SEEMED to demonstrate New England was somehow  CURSED in these last three BIG GAMES (I mean, come on, what are the ODDS of the SAME thing happening to the SAME team in three different super bowls ????)     I looked at the last play where seattle tossed the INTERCEPTION instead of allowing Lynch to run it in as an EVEN exchange for the incredibly lucky catch immediately prior......But yes, they will be talking (and talking and talking) about this game for a long time, and second guessing (and third guesing, and fourth, and fifth, etc etc) Seattle's decisions......remember folks, a lot of people in this country (along with an entire CITY in Greenbay) believe Seattle did not deserve to be in this game and the PAckers should have been there!

[JIMDUECE`SWILD]

How they were paid.http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015- ... wl-salary/

[DaBurglar]

speaking of "being paid", anyone hear how the Vegas sports books did with the final result of this super bowl???   I'm still looking for info, but as you may recall, Vegas opened the SUPER BOWL betting with a line that read New England +2-1/2  to +3!!!   It was a mistake but it was not caught early enough to prevent a bunch of early, BIG money from being bet on the PATS, so unless a flurry of bettors plopped a crapload of dough on SEATTLE just before gametime, I suspect this may have been a bloodbath for the BOOKS!!     I gotta say, I hope so.....for some reason I LIKE reading that the casinos LOST money (in a legitimate NON-cheating related fashion!)

[olds442jetaway]

Isn't that strange. I feel the same way and like to read when casinos lose money. Somehow I think it is payback for some of the things they have done to patrons and employees. It is just that I see so so many absolutely stupid things the casino does ( speaking here only about the one I go to ). I may catch flack for this, but the line employees constantly tell me the people who run both Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods are not the sharpest pencils in the box. Unfortunately, they are talking for the most part about their Native American bosses and fellow employees they have to work with on a daily basis. There may be some bias there by those who comment since there is such preferentaial treatment given to their own. Before I get bashed for this statement, let me just say that I am only repeating what I have heard over the years from line employees. Those that have given me some specifics, I have to say that I agree with them. However, I cannot say that I have ever met any Mohegan employee who was less than friendly and courteous from the lowest to the highest and I have met them all right up to the chief. It is still my choice to go there or not. I think the employees themselves are one of the main reasons I do go back over and over again.

[MPD001]

speaking of "being paid", anyone hear how the Vegas sports books did with the final result of this super bowl???   I'm still looking for info, but as you may recall, Vegas opened the SUPER BOWL betting with a line that read New England +2-1/2  to +3!!!   It was a mistake but it was not caught early enough to prevent a bunch of early, BIG money from being bet on the PATS, so unless a flurry of bettors plopped a crapload of dough on SEATTLE just before gametime, I suspect this may have been a bloodbath for the BOOKS!!     I gotta say, I hope so.....for some reason I LIKE reading that the casinos LOST money (in a legitimate NON-cheating related fashion!)
Now that we have FINALLY gotten back to the SB discussion from the insane 'racist' sidetrack, I have not heard an exact number, but the 'word' is that the Vegas Sports Books lost on both the NE win, and the 'over' bet, as they were unable to move the lines enough to get more Seattle money and offsetting 'under' bets. The 'under' looked like a pretty good bet for most of the first half of the game, actually.

My earlier 20-17 NE prediction was predicated on a 'clean' game, so with the key turnovers, I had the result of 28-24 NE about right, I felt.    

For what it's worth, Pete Carroll's thoughts on the play call at the end was: (A) we have three downs to score, plus one timeout (B) NE has their goal line 'beef' in there on defense (C) if we do not score on the slant pass, we run Lynch the next two plays to score. Just over-thought the situation.

[olds442jetaway]

I guess that is what happened then. I still can't understand the thinking with Lynch having 3 chances to plow through or dive over a little under a yard.

[Tedlark]

So Pete Carroll didn't account for the possibility of an interception then? Totally bad coaching from my perspective as you have the top running back in the league as well as one of the most mobile quarterbacks to boot. Pun intended...

[DaBurglar]

So Pete Carroll didn't account for the possibility of an interception then? Totally bad coaching from my perspective as you have the top running back in the league as well as one of the most mobile quarterbacks to boot. Pun intended... Agreed.....but then again, IF the seahawks score a TD on that pass, this whole discussion never takes place as NO one would (at that point) say "OH man they were LUCKY it was not picked off!   why didnt they run, etc...."The worst part of all this is NO one will cease to mention this ending for years to come, this game will always be about how Seattle GAVE away the game instead of New England winning it (and no one will remember nearly as much as they should the absolutely FLUKE, BS catch seattle made on the play that set up the whole situation which we are now debating!!!  I mean come on....!   That catch with the guy rolling on the ground prostrate is nothing but sheer LUCK, so in a sense, the ending interception is kind of a PAYBACK of sorts for New England....but I do not expect any NON patriots fans to agree with me there.....)But the REALLY ironic thing of all this is that with Seattle now being accused of GIVING it away, this is after the GREENBAY PACKERS were accused two weeks before in the NFC championship of GIVING that game to Seattle !!!   So it cuts both ways for seattle fans (i.e.  Seattle "gave away"  a game that was "GIVEN TO THEM" the previous game!!  lol) .....and the fact is this, Green Bay GAVE away the game and LET seattle win that game in a far more obvious and egregious fashion than what happened in the Super Bowl.....Plus, how do you think GREEN BAY fans feel now??   GREEN BAY actually BEAT my PAtriots 26-21 during the regular season!!!!     Aaron Rodgers, I hate to admit, is BETTER than Tom Brady (kills me to admit that actually!)What do you all think was the bigger GOOF/Give away, Green Bay missing that ONSIDE KICK, or Seattle Not scoring a TD with Lynch (or even WIlson on a roll out?)   It's close in my opinion, both are ridiculous situations.

[olds442jetaway]

I am probably not as huge a football fan as you are. I am a Pat's fan though and unfortunately, this one will be remembered by me as the one they won on a bad call by the Seahawks. They were beaten and that is how I see it. That said, a win is a win and that is what counts in the record books. The other fluke catch looked like a bit of luck, but also great concentration by the Seahawks receivor to grab and hold onto it. I have quoted Fla Phil many times lately, but as I said in a post just before the game, " anything can and will happen. " Probably beating a dead horse to death, but they certainly could have tried an end run to the goal by the Seahawks quarterback who probably could have pulled it off due to his ability in that area. If not, Lynch would still have two more tries. Ok, the poor horse is already gone so back to vp I guess. Nothing but shoveling snow all day today on another partially missed call by the weather people. Our 5 inch prediction turned into 14 plus and that is on top of the blizzard. No school tomorrow. Good for the Mrs. since all she did was work outside today too. Still waiting for the plow so we can get off of the street hopefully tomorrow. I had to cancel lots of stuff up at Mohegan due to the weather. Probably saved a bunch of money though.

[Galeygoo]

[QUOTE=Tedlark] So Pete Carroll didn't account for the possibility of an interception then? Totally bad coaching from my perspective as you have the top running back in the league as well as one of the most mobile quarterbacks to boot. Pun intended... Agreed.....but then again, IF the seahawks score a TD on that pass, this whole discussion never takes place as NO one would (at that point) say "OH man they were LUCKY it was not picked off!   why didnt they run, etc...."The worst part of all this is NO one will cease to mention this ending for years to come, this game will always be about how Seattle GAVE away the game instead of New England winning it (and no one will remember nearly as much as they should the absolutely FLUKE, BS catch seattle made on the play that set up the whole situation which we are now debating!!!  I mean come on....!   That catch with the guy rolling on the ground prostrate is nothing but sheer LUCK, so in a sense, the ending interception is kind of a PAYBACK of sorts for New England....but I do not expect any NON patriots fans to agree with me there.....)But the REALLY ironic thing of all this is that with Seattle now being accused of GIVING it away, this is after the GREENBAY PACKERS were accused two weeks before in the NFC championship of GIVING that game to Seattle !!!   So it cuts both ways for seattle fans (i.e.  Seattle "gave away"  a game that was "GIVEN TO THEM" the previous game!!  lol) .....and the fact is this, Green Bay GAVE away the game and LET seattle win that game in a far more obvious and egregious fashion than what happened in the Super Bowl.....Plus, how do you think GREEN BAY fans feel now??   GREEN BAY actually BEAT my PAtriots 26-21 during the regular season!!!!     Aaron Rodgers, I hate to admit, is BETTER than Tom Brady (kills me to admit that actually!)What do you all think was the bigger GOOF/Give away, Green Bay missing that ONSIDE KICK, or Seattle Not scoring a TD with Lynch (or even WIlson on a roll out?)   It's close in my opinion, both are ridiculous situations.
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Both were ridiculous situations, I agree...But, what a controversial post season, starting with Dallas/Detroit. Whole lotta if's and a whole lotta fun, imo