So Much Hypocrisy...

[shadowman]

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, when a person states an opinion as a fact, then it gets questionable. The fact is that VP can be described mathematically, and very simple math to boot. Certain VP paytables provide an advantage to the player ... with proper strategy. It's no different then showing that tic-tac-toe will always end in a tie with proper strategy.


 
The reason casinos can provide these games is simple, very few players utilize proper strategy. Just as in tic-tac-toe, if I don't utilize proper strategy, I can be beaten. But, if I do utilize proper strategy then my results will converge on the mathematical expectation. That is, a tie every time. The same mathematical approach works for VP.
 
The fact that VP is orders of magnitude more complex than tic-tac-toe does not change the mathematics.
 
BTW, I don't sell any books or strategy cards and I've won money for the last 8 years in a row. I've employed proper strategy and mathematics to my gambling. Well before I started doing this I gambled and lost every year. Strange how that works out.
 
There were a couple years inbetween where I started to employ proper strategy but did not understand all the complexities and variance. I won some of those years and lost others. Once again, demonstrating the math works out in the end. 
 
The only real argument that VP cannot be beaten is to claim that the machines are not random as required by law in every state that allows gambling. You have to believe that the VP machine manufacturers like IGT are in cahoots with state regulators and casinos in one of the best kept secrets in the world. Personally, I find the probability of that claim to be zero.

[brmcc74]

any game with a expected value greater then 100% played correctly can and is being beaten
The funny thing is............when I got to Vegas and play these mach's marked "OPTIMUM PLAY" These are the worst ones.
 
Again, want to make clear that I have no ill intentions with anyone. I enjoy the site, pics and stories. I have spent the last 9 months in casinos throught the U.S. Playing alot. I do play perfect strategy even when I dont want to. It has taken years to get them down. I often wonder what the comps would be if I instead played regular slots. Sure the percentage up front would be negative but the comps would surely be better. Most places I played comp as follows
$.20 in = 1 point for non vp games
$.50 in = 1 point for vp
If you have figured a possitive way to beat the game, great. I too agree that math is a proven system. Its just that these machs dont seem to reach those 100% + levels in the long run.

[royal flush]

then dont play those leave them for me

[rolanddude]

My Response to Eduardo and Royal Flush

[royal flush]

increasing your bet on a negitive expected value game increases your losses and there is games with paytables over 100%

[cddenver]

These videos are going to get annoying. Nobody wants to sit there for 11 minutes to watch your responses. Please just type something, it's a forum.


 
I agree.  I sense a pattern in message format from RD going forward.   WM and the site people will have to come up with a strategy for it. 
 
How did the trip end up, Eduardo?

[cddenver]

The only real argument that VP cannot be beaten is to claim that the machines are not random as required by law in every state that allows gambling. You have to believe that the VP machine manufacturers like IGT are in cahoots with state regulators and casinos in one of the best kept secrets in the world. Personally, I find the probability of that claim to be zero.
 
Most of the talk here is about play in Nevada, but the statement you made could be extended to all states with gaming - each with its own set of regulators and casinos.  Someone somewhere over the years would have spilled the beans on the conspiracy, if for no other reason than an attack of conscience.  Maybe one of the next videos will show a copy of the written "secret" regulations Fa la la's told us about that contradict the public (legal) ones.  That I'd like to see. 
 
In my opinion, no one pushes as hard as Fa la la does for anything other than personal gain.  Saying that he's trying to help players is nice of him, but if it were me - and I didn't need the money - I would have bailed out after the first five years or so of taking flak, letting people muddle through play on their own.

[shadowman]

[QUOTE=royal flush]any game with a expected value greater then 100% played correctly can and is being beaten
The funny thing is............when I got to Vegas and play these mach's marked "OPTIMUM PLAY" These are the worst ones.
 
Again, want to make clear that I have no ill intentions with anyone. I enjoy the site, pics and stories. I have spent the last 9 months in casinos throught the U.S. Playing alot. I do play perfect strategy even when I dont want to. It has taken years to get them down. I often wonder what the comps would be if I instead played regular slots. Sure the percentage up front would be negative but the comps would surely be better. Most places I played comp as follows
$.20 in = 1 point for non vp games
$.50 in = 1 point for vp
If you have figured a possitive way to beat the game, great. I too agree that math is a proven system. Its just that these machs dont seem to reach those 100% + levels in the long run.[/QUOTE]

 
 
The problem is "the long run" can be a very long time, especially with high variance games. My last few quarters of play are very indicative of this situation.
 
I lost 10K credits during the 2nd quarter of 2009. I won 17K credits during the 3rd quarter of 2009. I lost about 22K credits in the last quarter of 2009. During the first quarter of 2010 I won 10K credits and I'm ahead 13K credits so far for the 2nd quarter.
 
I play quite a bit and each of these quarters might be years of play for an occasional gambler. A particular person could experience any one of these quarters for their entire gambling career. The winners would think one thing and the losers would think something entirely different. However, the fact is "the long run" is approaching the mathematical expectation and the extras have made this period very lucrative for me.
 
So, it's not true that a person can't win over the short term. All you have to view is any one of my winning quarters. It's also true that a person will approach the mathematical expectation over the long term.
 
Finally, I've experienced these ups and downs for the last 8 years of my record keeping and I keep coming out ahead every year. While there's no quarantee I won't have a losing year eventually, the math does not lie.

[ruddy]

Rolando is a weird dude.

[Eduardo]

My Response to Eduardo and Royal Flush


 
Please get over yourself. If everyone did an 11 minute video for every post it would be terrible. I won't click your links any more. People read a forum for a reason because they like to read a forum. Same is true of whats his name's newsletters now. People need to be able to skim to the parts they are interested in, not stare at your face. Not that it is a bad face, you are actually handsome so no complaints there. It just isn't a good way to respond in a forum sorry.
 
But unlss you start typing responses again I guess I won't know what you are saying so maybe it's better.
 
Your posts may have been long at times but I appreciate it always at least being spelled out so people can respond to particular sentences etcetra. In the video you talk and talk and talk and by the end who knows what you said or to respond to. Sorry, I just really do not like it.