simple question for rolan

[ruddy]

He does not wany to answer. He just wants to ramble and rant.

[Eduardo]

If both players would have bad luck then it just would take less time (shadow) for the STS player to be done and go home.  If both have good luck then the STS player will win more money if he is on any other denom than his baseline.  SIMPLE MATH!!!


 
I'll respond to this one simply.  I agree that the STS player might go home broke earlier. That's part of "short term" higher risk play, and part of why I have migrated towards shorter sessions myself.
 
If both have good luck, a player playing a higher denomination will win more. Yes, duh.
 
If both have bad luck the player playing a higher denomination will go home sooner. Again, duh.
 
Here's what you're missing. A player playing a lower denomination at any point will get more hands on the same bankroll and so, if both have bad luck and the TST player has gone home earlier, the other player still has some chances to turn their luck back around. That may or may not happen. But it's not much different whether it's 2 seconds later or your next trip, assuming you aren't done playing forever. Your luck ran out, what will it take to get those losses back? Keep playing. Another trip, or right now.
 
Which brings us back to my simple question:
Will 500 people playing the same way you do take more money or less money from the casino than an individual playing perfect strategy the same total number of hands as all 500 of them combined?
 

[shadowman]

The first thing RD said in defense of his special plays is an outright lie. I guess that should put the rest of his silly claims to rest. In DDB breaking up two pair to go for a low quad costs around 3.4 credits (it's not just 2-pair with one high pair that qualifies as a special play). If you are playing at the 2$ level that is $6.80. Another so-called special play is to toss 3oak to go for RF3. For example, JJJQK, the 3oak returns 19.7 more credits which comes out to $39.40 on that hand alone. So much for "FRACTIONS OF A PENNY ".



 
The rest of his long statement is nothing more than fantasy claims. First of all, APers do not play for a RF. The RF is only 2% of the return in most games. This shows how little RD knows about true AP. What APers do is try to maximize their return on each and every hand and let time do the rest. 
 
Now to the baseball analogy. Let's have RD ask any baseball manager whether they'd prefer to score more runs or less runs than another team. What do you think a manager would choose? Over time scoring more runs will almost always lead to more wins (with equivalent pitching). Claiming that less runs lead to more wins is just more silly nonsense right in line with everything else RD has said..

[Deloradeuces18]

I'm sure he only makes those holds differently when the hand is going to be a winner, right? Thanks for the laughs everyone. I know someone who makes almost the same holds, and it's not because they are a better player. They also hold high cards in deuces wild because they say it's "still poker."

I do so love it when people claim to have lost money playing perfectly, when they clearly lack the knowledge to play it perfectly to begin with. Truth is, they lost at gambling thinking they were better than they really are. Happens in all kinds of gambling.

[rolanddude]

Shadowman is a deceiver and a bumbling idiot!!  1.  Where did I suggest holding a low pair instead of two pair?2.  Where did I suggest holding 3 to a Royal instead of 3oak?3.  Where are you getting off on saying what is or is not one of MY  "special plays"?4.  Find me a manager/coach in any sport that thinks that points are     more preferable than wins.  You are a sack of dung Shadow.  Call me a liar?  You have and still do claim that I am not who I say!  Now you try to put words in my mouth that I never even suggested...Not to mention you are too dense to recognize it!!  BTW, the 2% that you seem to be dismissing with your Royals is required to make AP strategy come close to 100% over time!! Eduardo,If the AP player played the IDENTICAL same hands as the 500 short termers then he WOULD win less because of betting less per hand!!  You are right that you will get to play longer... and "might" win... but chances are that unless you hit a biggie like a RF or A w/kicker you will not win anything and probably will not come back up to close to even... in other words an exercise in futility.  By the time my $900 is used I have lost at least 750 credits... it would take 4oak Aces within the next 50 credits lost to just get back to even...!

[royal flush]

a message for you: take me out to the ball game take me where the sluggers go one two three strikes your out at the old ball game, you struck out with these stories at this old ball game

[royal flush]

the key is knowing which hands will be losers and only play one credit on those hands and the winners play 5 credits on those just that simple r/d. i wish it was true

[Eduardo]

 Oops, one second.

[rolanddude]

a message for you: take me out to the ball game take me where the sluggers go one two three strikes your out at the old ball game, you struck out with these stories at this old ball gameAnd I'm the one who is called silly?

[royal flush]

with your silly way of playing vp