Considering a change in strategy

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New2vp
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Re: Considering a change in strategy

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When I left home this morning I said something to the effect of,  "If you don't believe me, listen to Shadowman and New2vp." I get home and spend 45 min going through all these posts just to find out everything has been said for me, and I have no contribution to add.Any chance I could get you guys to go along with me on a date and do the Cyrano De Bergerac thing.~FKP.S. Would either of you two brainiacs like to come on my Radio show?
Frank, of course I'm sure you know that you influenced the chances of a response from me (and perhaps s-man) by including our screen names in your post.  Hmmm...I wonder....what are the chances of  someone who has made more than 3000 posts responding in a thread when his name is mentioned?  It may be a pretty fair guess that he might respond even without such a reference.As you've no doubt included in your writings somewhere, perhaps multiple times, the application of applying logic in understanding video poker is perhaps several orders of magnitude short of the logic necessary for successful dating.  The two skills may in fact be roughly inversely proportional.  Nevertheless, I wish you well in your upcoming rendezvous (This is a good word to use since you can't tell if I mean it in the singular or plural sense, so just choose the sense that you find most favorable).Certainly my ego is stroked by your invitation and I would be happy to help, but since you have only a 1-hour radio program, I'm guessing the pithy one-line or one-paragraph responses from s-man in addition to his extensive casino experience would be much better suited to fitting your time parameters than my overly wordy wear-'em-down-with-every-last-detail style of prose.  (I often have to read what I wrote three or four times to see if it is actually conveying the intended thoughts. Even then, it is difficult to contain those thoughts solely to their original purpose!)Edit:  You can see what I mean by pithy.  Even though my post is positioned here after shadowman's, I started mine before he did, posted before reading his, and he still finished much more quickly than I did!!  In fact his entire post is shorter than this edit!!


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Post by faygo »

[QUOTE=Frank Kneeland]P.S. Would either of you two brainiacs like to come on my Radio show?

 
I suspect my somewhat monotone voice would put your audience to sleep. Besides, Bob and I have never got along all that well. [/QUOTE]

 
SM, keep in mind that even the worlds greastest theorectical physists disagree on the properties of black holes. (incidently I equate black holes with Vp machines)  .

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SM, keep in mind that even the worlds greastest theorectical physists disagree on the properties of black holes. (incidently I equate black holes with Vp machines)  . Gee faygo, I thought black holes were where the meaning in some of my posts went when I intended it to go towards greater understanding.

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 SM, keep in mind that even the worlds greastest theorectical physists disagree on the properties of black holes. (incidently I equate black holes with Vp machines)  .
 You just need to find some of those positive return machines. Then they become white holes.  Of course, it's speculated by some of those physicists that our universe was formed from a black hole in another universe. If this is true, then we all owe our existence to black holes.

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Post by roveer »

This has shaped up to be a pretty good exchange of ideas.  We've got a number of quality posts here from the numbers guys, the beleagured players and the like.
 
Takeing this all in.  I've kind of identified some of my weak points that seem to get me in trouble over and over.  Luckily it's, for the most part, not my play.  Of course I'm always striving for better play, but that's practice on the trainers.
 
I've identified a few things that I need to improve.
 
1.  While I don't think I'd have the same level of enjoyment if I were to give up my STP UX, I think I'm going to take LL's advice and try some STP without the multiplier and see how it fares.  I'll probably get some strange looks, but it will probably extend my sessions.
 
2.  I'm going to look at some additional games to mix in.  I do tend to play DW as my alternative to DDB, but maybe some JOB should be mixed in.  Will also consider others.
 
3.  Here's the biggie.  I have to consider the affects of drinking on my overal stratedgy.  While I don't feel it effects my ability to hold cards.  It does affect my ability (especially late into a session) to properly make decisions about leaving a game, or upping the denomination.  I've found myself in "turbo" mode at 1$ denom on STP more than a few times late at night.  While it eventually spits a handpay, it's usually too late to stay positive and there have been times where 1k can dissapear in 10 minutes.  This is not good decision makeing based on my bankroll.
 
4.  Here's where I need some advice.  I've read some posts about bankroll, but I'd like to learn more about having the proper bankroll and selecting the proper denom and session duration for the bankroll.  I seem to be at $1400-$1800 for a overnight trip.  That's usually arrive on Sunday around 4-5pm, play that evening, than maybe an hour on Monday morning before leaving.  I like Sunday's because the casino is not nearly as crowded and I can get to the games I like to play.  Saturday nights are almost always overcrowded and often become frustrating which leads to bad decision makeing on game/denom choices.  Are there any links/suggestions that I can explore here?
 
I'm a realist, and for me the money I take to the casino is already spent when I take it.  There is always an entertainment value to me and I do use and watch my comps when I play and take that into consideration.  I also watch the promotions and take advantage whenever I can.  This usually puts 400-500 worth of free play, free rooms & free food on my side.  I think I need to modify certain behaviors that seem to get me in trouble, play within my means, stop playing for that session when i'm not having good results or it's getting late and add some variety to mix up the volitility (high vs lower) in my game selection and while there is no guarantee that this will swing things to a positive, it will in the end yeild a better experience.
 
I appreciate everyone's comments and based on several of the posts from folks that I respect on this board see that I'm not alone in certain things that have been frustrating me lately.  After-all, if this isn't fun, than why bother.
 
Roveer
 

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Post by Frank Kneeland »


I suspect my somewhat monotone voice would put your audience to sleep. Besides, Bob and I have never got along all that well. Very well.  It's a shame I think you'd make for a good guest.~FK

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Post by onemoretry »

  Luckily it's, for the most part, not my play.  Of course I'm always striving for better play, but that's practice on the trainers.
 

Yet, in in earlier post, you mentioned that your play is 93-95% accurate.  That's not really that good.




We all make the occasional error, but 93-95% represents a lot of misplays.  So, your play may be a factor.

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Post by brmcc74 »

roveer= Seems to me that alot of your situation is bankroll related. I think that when you get to a point where youre asking yourself questions like, "Should I change Strategy?" then something that you have recently done or are doing needs to change. The only reason that I post this is because not too long ago, I wondered some of the same things. Why am I not winning when Ive put in the time and work to play near perfect?99.75 How can I be down -80000 credits and how do I get it back?  Why am I  one of the few people who lose at vp while everyone else seems(claims) to win.  Then I just laid off going so frequent and seem to be happier. The games that you listed are games that I wouldnt even touch. I keep it simple with single line try not to complicate things. I think that you are just at a point that you are tired of losing. Sometimes its not even about the money but the ongoing agony of defeat. I hope the best for you, gl. Alot of times we are able as humans to convince ourselves of realities that dont exist due to our decision making.

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[QUOTE=roveer]  Luckily it's, for the most part, not my play.  Of course I'm always striving for better play, but that's practice on the trainers.
 

Yet, in in earlier post, you mentioned that your play is 93-95% accurate.  That's not really that good.




We all make the occasional error, but 93-95% represents a lot of misplays.  So, your play may be a factor.[/QUOTE]
 Keep in mind it's the effect of errors that is most important. One can play at 95% accuracy and if they are making really small errors it might only affect the ER by .2% or less. The types of errors (major vs. minor) is very important.

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