Frequency and value of multiplier on STP

[gregorio]

For the STP machine that I have studied thoroughly (late model, but not the newest electronic), there is NO WAY to modify anything to do with the game besides the denominations and the pay tables.

Not saying that it can't be done, but the chip I have studied (I believe it was a midwest jurisdiction) Options such as what is being discussed here are simply not there.

Roveer
Dear Roveer, with all due respect, are you saying the casino cannot change the frequency and denominations of multiplyer at any time they want??????? Were you playing it on Planet Utopia? This summer I played a highstakes game on a hundred play STP machine in Harra's AC. Nice game with rules promising multiplier showing up once every 15 hands or so  and average value around 4. Got lucky a few times and got good handpays there. Returned last Thursday for their 10 times points promotion. Played for 1/2 hour on STP hundred play DDB never saw a single multiplier in 30 minutes. I am a pretty fast player and can play a minimumof 8-10 hands a minute. THat means I drew 250 times and never got a multiplier. I know it could be random and I could get 20 consecutive multipliers, but I stayed for 1 more hour and did get 2 multipliers, both "10" and both produced very good results, pretty close to what would have happened if i got regular multipliers more often. It's all good! But it was for sure not random.

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=roveer]For the STP machine that I have studied thoroughly (late model, but not the newest electronic), there is NO WAY to modify anything to do with the game besides the denominations and the pay tables.

Not saying that it can't be done, but the chip I have studied (I believe it was a midwest jurisdiction) Options such as what is being discussed here are simply not there.

Roveer
Dear Roveer, with all due respect, are you saying the casino cannot change the frequency and denominations of multiplyer at any time they want??????? [/QUOTE]
I will speak for the Nevada gaming market, and those markets that follow their gaming regs.

The casino can change the frequency and selection of a multiplier by ordering a different chip from IGT, which through Action Gaming, owns the rights to STP. That chip has to be certified by NGC when it leaves IGT, and installed in the machine. That machine then needs to be re-registered with NGC by the casino, and the HELP PAGE updated to show the new frequencies for the multiplier.

[onemoretry]

..... but I stayed for 1 more hour and did get 2 multipliers, both "10" and both produced very good results, pretty close to what would have happened if i got regular multipliers more often. It's all good! But it was for sure not random.
Random does not mean regular

[roveer]

And you studied this how? Did you buy one??

[roveer]

[QUOTE=roveer]For the STP machine that I have studied thoroughly (late model, but not the newest electronic), there is NO WAY to modify anything to do with the game besides the denominations and the pay tables.

Not saying that it can't be done, but the chip I have studied (I believe it was a midwest jurisdiction) Options such as what is being discussed here are simply not there.

Roveer
Dear Roveer, with all due respect, are you saying the casino cannot change the frequency and denominations of multiplyer at any time they want??????? Were you playing it on Planet Utopia? This summer I played a highstakes game on a hundred play STP machine in Harra's AC. Nice game with rules promising multiplier showing up once every 15 hands or so  and average value around 4. Got lucky a few times and got good handpays there. Returned last Thursday for their 10 times points promotion. Played for 1/2 hour on STP hundred play DDB never saw a single multiplier in 30 minutes. I am a pretty fast player and can play a minimumof 8-10 hands a minute. THat means I drew 250 times and never got a multiplier. I know it could be random and I could get 20 consecutive multipliers, but I stayed for 1 more hour and did get 2 multipliers, both "10" and both produced very good results, pretty close to what would have happened if i got regular multipliers more often. It's all good! But it was for sure not random. [/QUOTE]

With all due respect to you. If you think that you can derive possible manipulation of a machine from a sampling of a few hours than you are not understanding the true statistics behind RNG.

My understanding of the machines (see my previous post), my understanding of casino game management systems, my observations of casino operations, my discussions with casino managers brings to me to believe the casino can NOT manipulate a game from the "back room". Code changes come in the form of motherboard swaps where the system is physically swapped out. I have seen tech's manipulate denominations and pay tables, but my hands on in-depth research of actual systems have shown me that there are no settings beyond denomination and pay tables (broad statements, there are lots of feature settings, but for our conversation about casino's rigging a machine, Denom & PT).

In my more than 2 million hands of VP played I have had just about every kind of session you can imagine and all of my knowledge and playing experience points to "Randomly Random". It's the human mind that interprets these things as casino manipulation.

Some days you just get lucky.

Roveer

[Webman]

It's easy to understand how these perceptions take hold, and we hear about them on this site as well. Below is the output of a script that simply generates multipliers using the same random frequencies as Super Times Pay. In a fair game, you should expect something similar to this. I let it run for 1,000 multipliers.  The number in parentheses is how many hands it took to earn that multiplier. You will see there is one case where it took 133 hands between multipliers! I have highlighted anything over 30 hands, which  could seem like a long time to most players. Sometimes the wait is much much longer, in a fair game. But it all averages out. Work your way down the list and see at what point you might grow frustrated, and which point a player might be more happy. You can spot areas where things just aren't working out well, and areas where things are looking pretty good. If you find yourself in a tough (red) spot a few times, then you might think things aren't fair. 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[Webman]

And I because I like you all, here are another 1,000 multipliers generated randomly. Analyze to your heart's content. 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[Vman96]

Roveer...that is a thing of beauty! It brings a tear to my eye! Also nice it's an all star unit!

And webman, you're even running bad on that script! lol

[ColorMeOld]

....In a fair game, you should expect something similar to this. .....


I like to play STP & DSTP, normally in small denominations, while my wife feeds the penny slots. As I play I use a hand held mechanical event counter (one casino did not like my digital one) to number hands dealt. I record the hand number and the value of the multiplier when it the multiplier comes out of hiding. When I get home I shove the data into a spread sheet and analyze the results.

Personally, I'm confident that the games are fair and perform according to the published multiplier specifications in the places where I play.

Following is just some of the data that I have collected covering six different casinos in Wisconsin and Upper Michigan.

[Webman]

A few more turned out better:Most hands between multipliers: 169 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)Average freq: 15.198Average multiplier: 4.104Most hands between multipliers: 115Average freq: 14.911Average multiplier: 4.119Most hands between multipliers: 126Average freq: 14.994Average multiplier: 4.171I then ran it for 1 million multipliers and got:Most hands between multipliers: 243 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)Average freq: 15.026129Average multiplier: 4.051538Most hands between multipliers: 205Average freq: 15.002599Average multiplier: 4.051385Most hands between multipliers: 193Average freq: 14.976327Average multiplier: 4.049025This game can appear really "unfair" to a lot of people, while averaging out just fine and requiring no manipulation at all. Then of course there are the lucky ones, too.Whoever got that 243 hands without a multiplier is going to be bitter and think something is wrong. I can certainly understand that! But it still was not an indicator of an unfair game in this case.