Worst malfunction story

[DaBurglar]

On the REALLY REALLY old  BALLY machines from 1996 (the ones with games like Gold Mine Bonus Poker along with standard games like DDB and JOB  etc)  there is a simple "Autohold" setting that allows people to simply have the computer make the auto-hold on all initial draws, and the player can then just go back and change the holds if he desires before he hits  <DRAW> ...... obviously when dealt a hand like four of a kind or straight flush, this auto-hold feature will remove any possibility of such mistakes happening where someone tosses a pat (or made) hand from the deal!In my opinion, today's "NEW(er)" games should all feature auto-hold on any dealt four of a kind (just like happens with a dealt RF!)    The only difference obviously is a dealt RF then automatically proceeds to just PAYOUT, while a any other dealt PAT hand would just AUTOHOLD  and would require the player to then manually hit DRAW humself to be paid.....

[Tedlark]

So if a player is dealt AAAA7, should the auto-hold keep all 5 cards? I mean when playing DDB or TDB?

[FAA]

In my opinion, today's "NEW(er)" games should all feature auto-hold on
any dealt four of a kind (just like with a dealt RF!) The
only difference obviously is a dealt RF then automatically proceeds to
just PAYOUT, while a any other dealt PAT hand would just AUTOHOLD  and
would require the player to then manually hit DRAW to be paid.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I agree. But that would be all too convenient for the user. On the very rare occasion of a dealt quad, I would love immediate acknowledgment and a true simpatico with the casino. Instead they subject me to the human error factor.  The only reason we can order drinks directly from the machine is to prevent players from breaking up the "flow" of perpetual loss with the waitress flag down routine. To Ted's point, if the 7 results in a greater payout on DDB and TDB, I'm sure players would love an all five auto hold. DB didn't get into the specifics of those, but I imagine that is his intent with the suggestion.

[DaBurglar]

So if a player is dealt AAAA7, should the auto-hold keep all 5 cards? I mean when playing DDB or TDB?Are you seriously asking this question????     NO it obviously  SHOULD NOT  hold the garbage card (the "7" in your example)....On any dealt quad, obviously the four of a kind gets auto-held.....it is then up to the player to make sure that, if a kicker is involved, he wither holds the kicker IF it is dealt, or if not, tosses the one remaining garbage card and goes for the kicker........having never actually been dealt a quad with a kicker on a machine with AUTOHOLD function (whether a Bally's or one of the IGT "INSTRUCTIONAL MACHINES" previously mentioned that teach perfect strategy), I cannot say for sure what happens.....I can definitely state with certainty that on Triple Double Bonus games, being dealt fouur aces with a kicker, the game autoholds the hand just as it would with a dealt royal flush, and the player auto collects the MAXIMUM possible payout.      So, I would guess that in the case of BALLY machines with the Auto hold Option buried in the "HELP" menu that the player can access if he knows about it, on DDB games where four aces are dealt with a kicker, the game SHOULD also autohold the kicker.......

[FAA]

So the feature is buried, huh? No wonder I never heard of or saw it. I'll have to check it out sometime. Good for some amusement at the very least.

[DaBurglar]

So the feature is buried, huh? No wonder I never heard of or saw it. I'll have to check it out sometime. Good for some amusement at the very least.Yes on OLD bally's machines (which in AC, the only properties that still have the old Ballys games  are Taj Mahal and Golden Nugget), you need to access the HELP screen and then look at the bottom for "OPTIONS":    You then control the SPEED of the game  and the Auto hold option......from what I can tell it only exists on the DDB games, not on the gold mine bonus poker game.

[Tedlark]

DaBurglar are you sure that AWAK is auto-held just like a royal when playing TDB?

And if playing JOB, being dealt AAAA7 is a pat hand so would only the quad aces be held or would all 5 cards be auto held?

[Vman96]

I asked the attendant to call a supervisor to verify that I had a jackpot hand before allowing the technician to touch the machine.

He changed the screen and same 4 aces with kicker came up held and machine worked properly

I think you were smart to ask for another verification just in case.


   DaBurglar are you sure that AWAK is auto-held just like a royal when playing TDB?


I've heard from other posters that Aces with a kicker gets locked up in TDB because it's equivalent to a Royal, which is the top pay in the game. I believe all IGT games get locked up if you get the top pay in your game. On this forum, iirc, Jim DeucesWild got a dealt Royal that was not autoheld, because he was playing Dueces + Joker and the top pay isn't a natural royal there. It's all 5 wilds.

[spxChrome]

Yes in TDB dealt AWAK locks it up.

[Tedlark]

I understand why it would auto-hold a royal but in reality it isn't REQUIRED to auto-hold a royal or AWAK (in TDB). There is no gaming regulation or law that says a person cannot dump 4 cards out of the 5 from a dealt royal to instead go for a king high straight flush. How often does a TDB player dump a dealt AAAXX full house to go for quad aces? Does the auto-hold automatically hold the full house and then let the player decide how to play out the hand from there? Don't players have the freedom to play the game in a manner of their choosing?

Before I get jumped on, I only used the above as an extreme example. But if I were to play a video poker machine with auto-hold I might just as well start playing mindless slots....