Recreational W2G Win

[alpax]

Wtg....super... Now for the math...You can play 33.3 Fla Phil trips not hitting anything and losing $ 150 bucks each trip on that 5k. That won't happen of course and some trips will have great endings. Nice to know though that you will be covered for many trips to come... Congrats..Olds..

I appreciate it olds! At the moment I do play traditional style Jacks or Better about 3 out of every 4 trips and the other one time I will play Phil's deuces approach.

I play Jacks or Better for the value of high casino club status. If the time comes where I do not see value from it, I'd be playing Phil's Deuces approach much more often. I do approach the game as trying to minimize losses while having a good time at the casino with its restaurants amenities, rather than trying to hit the jackpots every time. I try to budget and plan the trips based on income, but that kind of win definitely provides a cushion for myself to be able to play sooner rather than taking breaks.

[QUOTE=alpax] I like Phil's strategy to be honest but I play it a slightly different way (I use max bet on 3 separate denomination although it increases the bet amount/coin in).


IMO, if someone has access to 5c games,Your adjustment to this strategy seems like a much better choice. And if the 5c and 25c games share the same pay table, the obvious choice.

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[quote=wjc32]And if the 5c and 25c games share the same pay table, the obvious choice.I don't play max coin nickels because the nickel odds I have seen are worse than the lousy quarter odds.  If you could find the same odds in nickels, I would play max coins and switch between the games.  I don't play max coin quarters and switch to dollars because it would take a lot more than my $250 a day bankroll to do that.  If you have the bankroll, I think playing Cheap Strategy with max coins and switching games would work great.  I tried it once and it wasn't too cumbersome to do so, it just costs more to play that way. 

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Nickel video poker is hard to come by and if it is available, it is at much worse paytables so that the house can make money off of a player who plays for minuscule amounts (or else its not worth the electricity to power up the game). It is only a few months ago that I gained the privilege to play nickel games at the same paytable as the quarter ones. I will play it while it lasts and not take it for granted. It is not too much hassle for me to change denominations, I push the bottom middle yellow circle and a submenu pops up with other denominations, and I choose it. Takes less than 5 seconds to do a denomination switch on the Game King machines.

[alpax]

Results from previous hands do not in any way affect the results of future hands.  Is there anything wrong with thinking the above and playing that way?  Heck no!  Part of the fun of recreational video poker is having hunches like that and watching them come true.  As long as you don't bet the farm on these ideas, it hurts nothing.


I agree, I always include a disclaimer when I make my claims, so that I am not trying to say it will work all the time. Each hand on video poker is an independent event. For all types of video poker games, the deal process is the same. From there the only part that deviates is where the player makes the best hold based on the game mode selected.

Roughly the specific card rank you are looking for comes out roughly 1 in 3 hands, at least one of them appears. I think for Deuces Wild, the win percentage is decent if you play with at least 1 deuce from the start. Although DDB will not guarantee a win with one ace drawn, but the aces are quite powerful in the game. Seen people get royal flush / aces with a low kicker with one ace held. Also saw someone hold a lone ace and draw 4 three's for a jackpot in a TDB game.

Chance at least 1 Deuce Does Not Appear

1 Hand in a Row - 66.7%
2 Hands in a Row - 44.4%
3 Hands in a Row - 29.6%
4 Hands in a Row - 19.7%
5 Hands in a Row - 13.1%
6 Hands in a Row - 8.78% *Good time to pot shot*
7 Hands in a Row - 5.85%
8 Hands in a Row - 3.9%
9 Hands in a Row - 2.6%
10 Hands in a Row - 1.7%
11 Hands in a Row - 1.1%
12 Hands in a Row - 0.7%

[Vman96]

Being anal here...

No. in a row...Probability
1     65.884%
2     43.407%
3     28.599%
4     18.842%
5     12.414%
6     8.179%
7     5.389%
8     3.550%
9     2.339%
10     1.541%
11     1.015%
12     0.669%
13     0.441%

[FAA]

The Deuces Wild paytable is the Fooler Deuces. Wild Royal
plays 20 for 1 (100 credits) and the 5 of a Kind pays just 12 for 1. 97.58% return with optimal play but I was just going to wing it since
I do not practice this strategy (the VP Pocket and Video Poker for
Winners does not carry this paytable). I am inspired by Phil to do 1
potshot per casino visit, I put in $25 more for just as 1 potshot by
switching to the $5 denomination.
I hit deal and I got 3 Deuces with an Ace and 7. It was a rush of a
good feeling since I am guaranteed 4 of a kind which is 4 for 1 payout
(20 credits), a good way to exit thereafter. It was not hard to just
hold the Deuces at this point. I hit draw and another Deuce popped out
and I was in some sort of shock to see it appear.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Great info and play by play. I try to pot shot during a hot streak, but that's still just sticking to the quarter denom. What an incredibly lucky decision! Especially after the earlier $300 loss.

[alpax]

Being anal here...

No. in a row...Probability
1     65.884%
2     43.407%
3     28.599%
4     18.842%
5     12.414%
6     8.179%
7     5.389%
8     3.550%
9     2.339%
10     1.541%
11     1.015%
12     0.669%
13     0.441%

Thanks! I appreciate and welcome a precise response anytime!

Great info and play by play. I try to pot shot during a hot streak, but that's still just sticking to the quarter denom. What an incredibly lucky decision! Especially after the earlier $300 loss.

I was going to try to experiment on Video Poker for Winners on how the deuces streak plays out. I will probably double bet (max bet 25 cents to max bet 50 cents) after 5 hands of no deuces dealt, and after a deuce it dealt, I will continue the double bet until I lose and go back to original bet. Probably after 10 consecutive hands without a deuce, I will try the potshot (max bet $1 hand)! Again, I believe there is no guarantees of a winning system in an independent probability space and a negative expectation game.

I was going by instinct at the time, but the story does sound too good to be true. I've whiffed on a good amount of potshots before that. I do not expect to get that fortunate again anytime soon!

[FAA]

I believe there is no guarantees of a winning system in an independent probability space and a negative expectation game.
I was going by instinct at the time, but the story does sound too
good to be true. I've whiffed on a good amount of potshots before that. I
do not expect to get that fortunate again anytime soon!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------That is correct. But even a turtle sticks its head out occasionally. I must increase my risk appetite at some point every trip, even for four hands. What's a twenty after a two hour trip?The $300 loss alone would have sent me sprinting for the nearest body of water, which in AC is always nearby.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=FAA]What's a twenty after a two hour trip?[/quote]That's how I feel about it.  If you have the discipline to limit your pot shots to no more than $20 at a time and return to playing Cheap, they can be profitable.  The math folks say this isn't so.   The truth is when you hit four $1,000 quad deuce hands or one for $5,000 you can play Cheap Strategy quarters for a very long time.  I always reserve a couple of 20s for this purpose.  Sooner or later anyone can hit one of these hands.   The key is Bob Dancer's favorite word "discipline".  He uses the lack of it to chastise players that don't agree with him.  I use it to describe "using your head as you play, not afterwards".

[alpax]

I agree that it is worth taking a shot but one must be disciplined to not over do it, just one of these can extend your play.

[alpax]

That is correct. But even a turtle sticks its head out occasionally. I must increase my risk appetite at some point every trip, even for four hands. What's a twenty after a two hour trip?The $300 loss alone would have sent me sprinting for the nearest body of water, which in AC is always nearby.




I think most quarter VP games can incur a $300 loss on a bad day, even the low variance Jacks or Better is susceptible to losing days. It depends on how much you need to play on a given day. $300 is a safe amount for about 2000 rounds of max bet JoB quarter more than 90% of the time.

For the most part, you have to think over the long term since the game has its ups and down, focusing on a single bad day is not the right perspective to have.

[FAA]

I agree that it is worth taking a shot but one must be disciplined to not over do it, just one of these can extend your play.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Absolutely. I frequently venture into major pot shot land on my freebie DW phone app. I vault from $1 denom to $10 for a few hands, then chase losses down the old drain. I have to condition myself to counting to four, no more!