everywhere cant be as bad as mohegan sun

[4625601]

to billy.regarding indian casinos I would have more $ from my last 10 trips if I took the 2nd half of your advice..the first part(punch in nuts I can do without).the point I was trying to make is that even tho Mohegan is class 3 machines something very fundamental has changed since 2011.the sequencing of hands(ie:hand after hand of duds following a winning hand)..the lack of quads..the increased amt of "teaser"hands(dealt 3 of a kind)the above % of same card drawn on a single card draw..my sample from last sunday while a small one is indicative of how all single line games that I play are playing at Mohegan..where as prior to 2011 I could "grind out" 2 profitable years out of 3 I believe that could never happen with the current configuration of the machines. my choice the last 2 years has been limited trips w/a limited bankroll..that way the only thing hurt is my ego..

[bajmurray]

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Agree on the state tax thing though. That makes MS rough on non-residents.

Actually, there is no difference as to whether or not you are a resident of Mississippi with respect to taxes. Any payment resulting in a W2-G will have 3% state tax withheld. You do not report the winnings on your Mississippi tax return, nor can you deduct losses. It is just a straight 3% tax.

[LovePlusOne]

Is the casino you're talking about the Mohegan Sun in CT or the one in PA?

I'm not crazy about PA. Even the smoke-free areas reek from smoke and I wind up coughing.

Plus, I always lose

Wishing you better luck elsewhere!

[LovePlusOne]

If you think about playing in most Indian casino, punch yourself in the nuts and set fire to half your money. You'll end up with better results.

I'm a female therefore I'm nut-less, BUT I will think twice about going back to an Indian casino

[OTABILL]

Quite frankly, over the years I have done better relatively at Native American casinos here in Arizona than in Vegas and Laughlin. Go figure.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=bajmurray]Actually, there is no difference as to whether or not you are a resident
of Mississippi with respect to taxes. Any payment resulting in a W2-G
will have 3% state tax withheld. You do not report the winnings on your
Mississippi tax return, nor can you deduct losses. It is just a straight
3% tax.[/quote]And, you can't get it back either because I've tried.  My accountant says Mississippi holds onto this money and you will go through hell trying to get your money back as a non resident.  You play all day putting big money into a negative game, hit a hand pay and they deduct 3% right off the top.  Not this guy...  Fool me once, your fault.  Fool me twice, it's on me. 

[olds442jetaway]

Quite frankly, over the years I have done better relatively at Native American casinos here in Arizona than in Vegas and Laughlin. Go figure.


     Just to add a little fodder to the varying opinions, I just got back my horrible 2016 losses of over 25k in the last 3 weeks at Mohegan Sun. Almost every trip hitting premium hands. Not many on royals, but the other good stuff on deuces wild. It is all detailed in my post finally a nice hit at Mohegan Sun. Who knows what the rest of the year will bring, but it sure does prove that the hits will come at some point. The funny part is results on 99% job games are not great. These hits were all from DDS or all star poker on the spin poker games. Almost all were on deuces wild games. Go figure.

[Minnesota3]

I have always found the Native American casinos here in Minnesota to be fair. The single line 5 coin max IGT machines I play here play the same as the same machines at Boyd and CET properties in Las Vegas that I play.

[ko king]

I have posted many times about my dismal results also playing 3 times a week at Mohegan. No matter how many 99 percent games I play with over a million hands a year, I end up with a 95 percent total return with nearly perfect play. This has been going on at least since 2011. Prior to that, I would play 96-98 percent games and end up with the same 96-98 percent returns. I am up to nearly 800k hands now without a Royal and have had several runs of over 500k hands without a single Royal. If someone had tracked all of my play exactly, I'm pretty sure some sort of action or investigation would have been done, but who knows. I have enough credit there now so I can stay there which is really a beautiful place to stay at and play over at Foxwoods. Their vp odds are lower than Mohegan, but I have never had such bad results there. I have not played there in three years or so, but I am going to give them another shot.
     Regarding your own play and the others you asked, unfortunately your sample is just too small to draw any conclusions from. I think my sample is big enough and believe me I wish it wasn't. I do see people hitting good hands at Mohegan, but I have no way of knowing if their results are within acceptable variances. Most everyone you ask will say they lose and lose a lot playing vp at Mohegan Sun. Concrete proof, I don't have it. If I had access to all players results for billions of hands, we would have the proof one way or the other. We will never get access to that information. Their published results lump slot play in with vp play and are in the 91 percent range for a quarter game. Unfortunately, that tells us nothing about the player returns for just vp. You also have to account for player errors which in general are widespread. My gut feeling is this.....the 99 percent games return 95 percent long term. Player errors account for another 3 or 4 percent putting the total player return in the 91 percent range. It is very important to remember that that this is my opinion only. I have no concrete proof of any of it and my opinion is only based on what I have posted above.

The worst 2 years of my life were spent playing ONLY 99.58% pay back machines. By my best estimates I played well over 80K hands and never hit a royal or Aces w/k. I would have played far more than 80K hands during a 2 year stretch but the vp was so pathetic and the cost to play was to great. I took a break from playing and started playing elsewhere later where I found the same vp game with a 97.02% return and played very close to the expected return, the taxes on hand pays left me just short of hitting that expected return. I had 2 royals and hit Aces w/k 4 times playing a crappy pay table and still finished better than playing the much better advertised 99.58% return. There's very little question in my mind that there is something going on at the other casino, even one of the employees told me I was a fool for attempting to play their games at the denomination I play at, she said I was the only one dumb enough to do it.

[jc1656]

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, however does the state of Connecticut ever conduct random checks on these casino's? I would think if they got enough complaints they would look in to this problem. I have played all over the U.S. and over the last 5 years I have done worse than ever! I for one am tired of never having a good trip, I always go to VPfree2.com and find the best pay tables. I play mainly 25 and 50 cent denoms and hit 2 royals in 5 years, I play DDB most of the time unless paytables are much better on something else. In my opinion something is different in the casino's, I wish someone from IGT or another company could explain this?