The World of Negative VP

[Carcounter]

Yes, Long time profitability. Like Dollar AA at 100.7% and a good slot club. Does not exist anymore.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Eduardo]Advantage play is a series of plays of any type under which you have an
advantage. They will seldom be the same play repeatedly. Promotions may
be temporary. A multiplier may be a one time event. A mailer may only
come once in your lifetime. A progressive machine may be negative and
then turn positive at a certain point, then after being hit no longer be
an advantage play. It doesn't mean you have one machine with an edge
that you play forever.  In some cases it may, if played perfectly or
within a certain margin of error.[/quote]I can see that.  You have to admit surfing Ultimate X games is not a long term positive methodology.   I understand the smarts and dedication it takes to be a successful VP professional.   What I am asking is if these same opportunities exist for smart dedicated individuals who play in Florida.   At the casinos where I play I believe the best game available is $5 9/6 Jacks or Better.  There is no cash back and comp points can only be used for in house credit.  I can have all the free umbrellas, Hard Rock jackets and ice tea tumblers I can use.  I could take advantage of drawings and mailers.  Some I actually do.  Instead of sleeping at night, I could also spend my time sitting alone in a casino waiting for my name to be called.   On the other hand, I can take the same $150K and buy a tax free municipal bond.  Unless the State of Texas goes broke, I am guaranteed to get a nice annual return for zero work and practically no risk.  I pay no taxes on my profits and I don't lose any sleep or breath any cigar smoke.  I can play all the quarter VP I want and never worry about losing my $150K investment.Mr. Dancer's whole life revolves around VP.  He is world's foremost VP expert and makes money selling VP books, software and consulting.  I am sure his hourly fees are substantial.  The revenue from these products and services fund his VP play.  He lives and plays VP where positive games exist and he is able to capitalize on them.   He has worked hard to make this happen and he deserves all the credit.I am not knocking Mr. Dancer in any way.  I wish him well.   What I am asking is if his methodology is a viable option for the majority of our forum members. 

[Jstark]

You have to admit surfing Ultimate X games is not a long term positive methodology.
No I will not admit it because you are unequivocally, 1000000000000000% WRONG!!!!

[New2vp]

I am talking about long term profitability, not a one time opportunity.   If I walk up to a VP machine and find $200 left on the machine and play it, that's a one time opportunity.  It's also stealing money that I was not entitled to.   Mr. Dancer says I have long term positive VP opportunities available to me in Florida that I refuse to take advantage of.  I am asking him to show them to me and the members of this forum.



Actually, you were not talking about long term profitability or Mr. Dancer showing you how you could be a winner in Florida.  If anyone missed the actual words in your current feeble attempts at obfuscation, I thought I would provide a service and repost them here. I doubt there are any positive VP opportunities in
Florida for anyone.   If you can find one and prove it, I will happily
mail you a check for $100.  Just so you know, my checks don't bounce.  (Emphasis added) The checks don't bounce but apparently your pledges do.  We have to give Dancer even additional props for predicting that you would want to weasel out of your commitment.   
Whether you're recreational or professional, welshing on bets is poor
form. You can't say afterwards, "yes I technically lost but what I
really meant was blah blah blah so I'm not going to pay." Not a classy
move. Not a move of someone who takes pride in honoring what he says. If
you want to rephrase the offer differently next time, do so. But pay
off this time. Pretty smart guy, huh?





























However, I will send the charity of your choice $100 if you provide us
with the exact details of a positive VP opportunity at the Tampa or
Hollywood Hard Rock.
Why should Bob take the time to spell out for you even more plays for you when you show absolutely zero commitment to cover the liabilities that you already owe?  That question is rhetorical because apparently your answers aren't worth the time to read.  I don't want to say that you are never right because you contradict yourself so often.  Thus, it is inevitable that some of your statements are bound to be correct.




























Here is
your chance to prove me wrong.News flash.  Many readers of this forum have had several chances to see that you are often wrong, but of course that never deters your apparent self assurance.  My prediction:  You will be wrong again multiple times in the next week.  Here's your chance to prove me wrong!

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Jstark]No I will not admit it because you are unequivocally, 1000000000000000% WRONG!!!!
[/quote]OK, I concede that you can do that.   It doesn't sound like it has much fun or profit potential to me, but to each his own.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=New2VP]News flash.  Many readers of this forum have had several chances to see
that you are often wrong, but of course that never deters your apparent
self assurance.  My prediction:  You will be wrong again multiple times
in the next week.  Here's your chance to prove me wrong![/quote]All you are interested in doing is defending your pitiful belief that you can beat the casinos.  You have taken the bait and the casinos are laughing all the way to the bank.   I will wait and see what Mr. Dancer comes up with.  I am hopeful, but am expecting nothing tangible.  I wish he would give us an example so we can all see if it's worth the investment in time and money.In the mean time, I will cash my monthly tax free dividend checks with a smile.  Tomorrow, I will take my wife to the Tampa Hard Rock. We will play quarter VP, have a great time, eat a free lunch and perhaps come home with a couple dollars more than we left with.  You can worry about ER, positive plays and how much you will lose if you want to.  I'm not interested. 

[New2vp]

[quote=New2VP]My prediction:  You will be wrong again multiple times
in the next week.  Here's your chance to prove me wrong!All you are interested in doing is defending your pitiful belief that you can beat the casinos.[/QUOTE]Ok, this is the first incorrect statement in the next week.  That certainly didn't take long.  Only one more to go.But nice try, I admit it is always good to try and change the subject when you are trying to defend the indefensible!

[FloridaPhil]

Case closed.  The ball is in Mr. Dancer's court.  If he doesn't respond, I will assume he couldn't find any long term positive VP opportunities in Florida.  If he does, my check is already on my desk.

[FAA]

Amazed by your free lunch prowess. I'd have to play slots for that perk.

[New2vp]

The lunches are free?  I'm guessing that a better description would be to call them pre-paid ... at a considerable premium.  Remember, he knows of no advantage plays or at least no plays that he personally could take advantage of (even if others could), so I imagine the casinos have already been well-reimbursed for the "free lunches."Maybe you could offer him $10 if he would give you the secret to his free lunches?  My advice would be to get the secrets first ... before you give him the 10 bucks.