How much do we still not know?

[didigoftam]

I know that when you play Slots, the casino can change the Percentage easily... Can you guys give me an example of how that could be achieved on VP. Is it possible to program the Machine. I own a Game King Machine @ Home, The real thing, it has 10 VP games on it: KENO and just some Slot Games. The dealer who delivered the machine told me never touch certain buttons on the machine when I open it... I would love to play with it now, I'm very curious to know how i can change that and try playing it with the new payout. If anyone has a Game King machine can advise me on this, i really would appreciate it.
thanks

[case]

Can't you open it up and change the payouts on the games. Like in Jacks or better from 9-6 to say 8-6...or double bonus from 9-6 to 10-7...that would change the payback. That is what casinos do when they want to change the percentage on payback.

You should be able to adjust your key chip to different paybacks

[case]

didiqoftam

Here is some info you can read:

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=4711.0

[didigoftam]

I know there's a spot where you can change the PAYOUT, i saw it once when I opened the machine. But our entire discussion on this topic is not about the payout, but changing the Frequency of premium hands being dealt or drawn.I really want to know if i can program the machine to deal me a ROYAL flush more frequently, or deal 4 ACES more frequently ????

[DaBurglar]

I know there's a spot where you can change the PAYOUT, i saw it once when I opened the machine. But our entire discussion on this topic is not about the payout, but changing the Frequency of premium hands being dealt or drawn.I really want to know if i can program the machine to deal me a ROYAL flush more frequently, or deal 4 ACES more frequently ????
Let me first be very clear that I personally have never messed around with or worked with an actual GAME king or Video Poke machine, and I have only seen the insides (i.e. GUTS) from about 3 feet behind a tech working on it......I have on several occasions seen ON SCREEN user menus that offer and allow various settings to be changed and manipulated, whether its paytables or screen layout or color, etc.      What I have been TOLD by at least 6 different people over the years (1995 thru around 2006) is that there are numerous other seldom used menus and settings that can be accessed if the casino chooses to change things like Frequency of DEAD (dud) hands, and even specific hands or cards........obviously this would violate the expected (and required) condition of TRUE randomness, but it makes sense that such options would at least EXIST.     This is the understanding I have come to accept and believe:   Today's robust computers allow for a LOT of user-defined setting and manipulation of software......customers have varied and diverse requirements, and it is EXPENSIVE to have to have a programmer come in every time you want something modified or altered or changed.....having menus and options to allow customers to customize their software is much more efficient and desirable than having to have a programmer come in and write code to do something.Just because such options and menus exist within the machine's makeup, it does NOT mean that casinos utilize them.......but it makes sense that they exist.    It is ALSO logical from the standpoint of GAming officials being able to come in and randomly check and select certain machines to see of they are set properly.......your average gaming agent is NOT going to sit there and go through thousands of lines of code....but  he can quickly check to see that certain options and menus are set properly, very easily and quick.    See the difference/???Now, again, I believe that MOST casinos in MOST gaming markets have their Video Poker machines set properly where true randomness is in effect, and the PAytables are the only factor determining return percentage to the player.   BUT.....I also believe it is possible that in SOME casinos, SOME VP machines may have been set to spit out or deal MORE dead/dud non-paying hands to bring the return percentage further down into slot machine ranges (89-90%)....I believe that I may have encountered a few such machines in my play in AC over the years.    a analysis of my play results shows a HUGE deviation from expected normal results, and a large incidence of dead/dud hands sticks out like a sore thumb.   I have talked about this beofre, and beem boo'd and poo poo'd to the point I dont talk about it much anymore, unless someone else brings it up.I told everyone about the one time, many years ago, in Vegas, when the Orleans Hotel has a special promotion where they had four VP machines around several Toyota  FOUR by FOUR  (4 X 4)  Pickup trucks, and the promotion was anyone who hits quad 4s wins a truck.....but in the fine print it was stated (as Vegas law requires in such cases) that these particular machines were "modified" to have the frequency of hitting quads of ANY kind (let alone 4s) far less likely than the expected 1 in every 440 hands or so (I forget what it was exactly, I may have mentioned it in previous posts but I dont feel like looking it up, ask Tedlark to find out)Point is. did the Orleans have four machines "SPECIAL coded" for this giveawya, or did they just go in and access some user menu option and set the machines accordingly????Look, in this day and age, anything is possible....and the state gaming agencies that we all want to believe are johnny-on-the-spot to stop any malfeasance and shenanigans just are NOT that competent or well staffed and lead.....except maybe Nevada because the entire STATE's welfare depnds on gaming....but even there you cannot dismiss human nature to try and pull some sh*t or the presence of corrupt or rogue agents.Bottom line, you MUST choose to have faith in the casinos and the games you play......And one last thing:  IF....IF a casino is or does get caught with a crooked machine or something like it, they are punished but it almost NEVER EVER would involve to outright pulling or losing of their license.....comeon people, the state and agency would have just as much to lose in such a case as the actual casino doing the cheating.    Paying fines is much more likely to be the punishement.

[Tedlark]

Ahh, my buddy. DaBurglar are you trying to influence people with your mention of there being a possibility that video poker software on a gamingfloor can be mmanipulated by someone OTHER than the manufacturer of the unit?

Simple yes or no question.

[didigoftam]

Thank you DaBurgler:
This is exactly what I wanted to know. That there exists a possibility where the casino can change the Frequency of premium hands being dealt or drawn. After reading all these comments I am 100% Sure that some casinos do this. Specially the indian Reservations in California. 4 years ago I went to San Manuel Casino in CA. Playing $5 VP DDB I was dealt a Royal 20k.. 6 min. after that i changed the Denom to $10 and i hit 4 ACES w/ Kicker 20k.... 15 min later I hit 4 ACES/ No Kicker 8K... since then I have made over 40 Trips to the casino... I have never ever come out a winner and I have lost over $130,000. My friends that Accompany there have even noticed and they say that something is not right, I'm not hitting any premium hands.... It all makes sense after you gave me the example of the TRUCKS giveaway....
I have asked the Jackpot attendants @ San Manuel and they say that they have not seen a ROYAL FLUSH in Ages....

[roveer]

Listen, Guys...

I've been inside a current gen (not latest, the ones just before latest which are very much still current) machine.

I've studied all of the physical components and determined that there is nothing special.

I've studied the software, I've key chipped this machine and explored all of the menu's available. There's nothing there. It's all pay tables and denominations. They chips are region coded and region regulated.

I've spoken to Tech's. I've spoken to slot managers.

Nobody gives a hoot'n crap about trying to manipulate a machine. Think 1970's arcade when you told the fat guy that the bumper on your kiss pinball machine wasn't working right and you got that look like WTF. These are the casino professionals. The slot mgr at Harrah's doesn't even know what denoms are on his machines. They are no super genius's by any chance and there is no greater conspiracy to rig machines.

Now with all that said, any individual could manipulate a machine but not these guys. No way. The plug goes there is about all your gonna get out of them.

Things run hot things run cold. Study the math. We are human and can perceive what we consider think is manipulation of random events. Nope, it's what I keep saying as Randomly random. Again, not to say that IGT isn't coming up with new ways to seed their RNG and that may produce slightly different random numbers, but nobody is throwing the win/no win switch at the casinos. I've had quad aces on the CRT machines and I've had them on the flatscreen.

Roveer

[Tedlark]

  DaBurglar I noticed that you hadn't answered my question yet, care to?

[DaBurglar]

  DaBurglar I noticed that you hadn't answered my question yet, care to?no  i do not "Care' to, mainly because it is YOU asking this absurd question.  get someone else to ask it and I will....but you really are obsessed with me......what makes you think I can "influence" anyone (other than YOU obviously)?   You attribute a whole lotta power to me, hence your need to "protect" this forum.You must think all these other people here are REALLY stupid, and that, sir is the epitome of your arrogance.   If I am as full of Sh*t as you rant and rave that I am, then guess what?   Other people will see that without your guiding hand......and by others I do not mean DORIS.