right play or wrong play????

[spxChrome]

 
 
spx,
 
 I'm so surprised by some of your posts lately. It's one of the "sins" of video poker to play on a machine with sticking buttons. And you blame this on the machine. This is YOUR fault, not the machine's.
 
 You may get help by a floor supervisor with this though. If you claim the buttons stuck, they can look at history and see you were dealt the 3 nines and may decide to pay you for the malfunction. Keep in mind, when you hold a high pair instead of three to the RF, this will not work!
 
Didn't know the button was gonna stick on me it was like the 3rd or 4th hand and yes I cashed out and moved machines right after. 
 
As for asking a slot person, thats what confuses me.  If on one hand everyone claims the RNG is always spinning then how are they obligated to pay me?  The 9 would not have come had the button not stuck.
 
But I have seen this play out before many years ago on a Royal and the person was paid.

[damule]

[QUOTE=damule] 
 
spx,
 
 I'm so surprised by some of your posts lately. It's one of the "sins" of video poker to play on a machine with sticking buttons. And you blame this on the machine. This is YOUR fault, not the machine's.
 
 You may get help by a floor supervisor with this though. If you claim the buttons stuck, they can look at history and see you were dealt the 3 nines and may decide to pay you for the malfunction. Keep in mind, when you hold a high pair instead of three to the RF, this will not work!
 
Didn't know the button was gonna stick on me it was like the 3rd or 4th hand and yes I cashed out and moved machines right after. 
 
As for asking a slot person, thats what confuses me.  If on one hand everyone claims the RNG is always spinning then how are they obligated to pay me?  The 9 would not have come had the button not stuck.
 
But I have seen this play out before many years ago on a Royal and the person was paid.[/QUOTE]

 
True...but you may have gotten a concession here as goodwill if you can show them the button stuck.

[Casino Knight]

Faygo and Mule:  Sure, now you tell me.  I learned my lesson though.As for the sticking keys, I've had both ways.  One casino paid out the 4 Aces when a button didn't hold. Another told me to pound sand.Bottom line.  If you have an issue with the buttons, ask for a supervisor, the worst they can say is no. 

[brmcc74]

How do we know without a shadow of a doubt that the RNG keeps spinning while we ponder over a particular hand?  Alot of times, Im thinking that by not maintaining my cruise speed while selecting and drawing, Im throwing the whole rythym system off. EX= a guy the other night had 4 to a rf. He held his four then got up and paced a few laps in search of the High Prog. He missed it. Has anyone hit a rf this way? Also the casinos that I have immediate access to are replacing the vp mach's for these "newer" looking mach's. These new ones look even more like a computer with upgraded graphics etc...... I personally havent much luck on these newer style mach's. Ill be saving my $ for Vegas, not many good games left.

[shadowman]

We know because the manufacturer, IGT, has stated that is the way it works. Why would they lie? It doesn't affect the randomness of the game in any event.


 
Of course, you can always find a few old machines out there where the draw cards have already been determined.
 
PS. I have seen people hit after waiting for a substantial time.

[kjohn]

Wow...Seems I got a good discussion started....I'm glad to know about the TTARoyal....as that play seems to come up often....Why would IGT lie....Is our President a Muslim?..Why does anyone lie or withhold info???? If they do lie there is a reason and it usually has to do with money...I'm not saying IGT does lie but I frankly don't trust any large corporation...or for that matter our government, pharmaceutical companies, BP and the list goes on and on...Individual people I trust, Companies!!!!! NEVER....and frankly even though we all love it gambling is not exactly a totally wholesome endevour....and IGT is in a state with legal prostitution...Corruption does abound....Now I bet that will get some comments.......

[brmcc74]

Why would they lie?  VP is a game of chance .
 Sure there are advantages mathematically that all should take. These include best strategies, pay tables, and comps. It is Random. This means that the possibility of never hitting a royal and NOT having any distinct advantage clearly exists. Without hitting a RF, the full pay scenario becomes a pipe dream. This applies to any suposed FP game. You also have equal chance to fail. I don't think that we can for sure say that, ("Yes, the cards keep spinning while you ponder your decision"). Maybe someone has some credible evidence. Even if so, how many versions and different mach's are out in play at the given time? No offense to anyone but when it comes to money wagered, I trust no entity. Interesting for sure.

[New2vp]

There is an advantage to the casinos for a continual shuffling RNG (or a lack of disadvantage).  Continual shuffling prevents even those who have a really sophisticated notion of a particular RNG's programming from taking advantage of any pattern of cards that might indicate exactly where in the cycle of random numbers that a particular machine is and thus give the player even a slightly better idea of what cards might come up next.For those without this sophisticated knowledge, it makes no difference in EV or prediction ability whether the cards are continually shuffled, whether there are 5 cards "dealt behind" the cards on the draw, or whether the cards are dealt "off the top of the deck" to replace the discards.  For people who nevertheless think there is a difference between these three approaches, continual shuffling probably makes them happiest.If you want to worry that something nefarious is occurring, lack of continual shuffling would not harm the players.  It would be more effective to cheat players with a plan that allowed for slightly fewer high cards dealt in  non-wild games or fewer wild cards dealt in wild-card games.

[spxChrome]

We know because the manufacturer, IGT, has stated that is the way it works.
 
I have been quoted other wise but i've moved beyond that as that horse is dead.

[faygo]

[QUOTE=shadowman]We know because the manufacturer, IGT, has stated that is the way it works.
 
I have been quoted other wise but i've moved beyond that as that horse is dead.[/QUOTE]
 
YOU RANG!