Roveer 5/20 Harrah's AC

[shadowman]

But remember, and few would ever say this even though we all know it to be true. If you were playing a 99% paytable, you may have done a little better and wouldnt need to value all those things as high, but you also could have done worse, in which case your valuation would have needed to go the other way.
 
This is what's known as lying by omission. While it's always possible that a player will do better on a lower paying game in a single session or two, over time it becomes less and less likely. Eventually you end up with numbers like I gave before. Maybe a 1% chance of doing better. Now, why in the world would you be proposing that a player should follow a strategy where they have such a low chance of success? What's in it for you?
 
This is how I believe ALL APs come up with winning years. They may SAY it isnt so, but hey, name a casino that doesnt have a problem with "winners" who play millions through those machines every year and in many instances, every month.
 
It isn't so.

[rascal]

Billyjoe, the casino considers "over time" to be one year. For the players, of course, "over time" varies widely depending on number of hands played. But most casinos use one year as the basis of their analysis of a game and/or machine's ROI. The game/machine must provide an operating margin at specific levels each year. Casinos don't see $2000 or $4000 or $20 jackpots from a particular machine. Instead, they see the LTM return to the casino.

[backsider]

[QUOTE=backsider]But remember, and few would ever say this even though we all know it to be true. If you were playing a 99% paytable, you may have done a little better and wouldnt need to value all those things as high, but you also could have done worse, in which case your valuation would have needed to go the other way.
 
This is what's known as lying by omission. While it's always possible that a player will do better on a lower paying game in a single session or two, over time it becomes less and less likely. Eventually you end up with numbers like I gave before. Maybe a 1% chance of doing better. Now, why in the world would you be proposing that a player should follow a strategy where they have such a low chance of success? What's in it for you?
 
This is how I believe ALL APs come up with winning years. They may SAY it isnt so, but hey, name a casino that doesnt have a problem with "winners" who play millions through those machines every year and in many instances, every month.
 
It isn't so. [/QUOTE]

Im not proposing anything shadow. Im just having fun pushing your buttons, of which there are MANY, and then watching you perform, with more of those overly serious responses to issues almost everyone else ignores because they have better things to do with family on Memorial Day. If you only knew how to get it once in a while.

[BillyJoe]

Billyjoe, I just wanted to give you an idea of how you could determine the value of those extras as it related to your overall play. The real key is whether you perceive you are getting value out of your casino play. As long as it's affordable, fun and entertaining then you are doing fine.
Once again, Shadow, I really appreciate your feedback and input. Money management is the key for me on gaming trips, so I do not expose myself to losing more money than I can afford to lose on a given trip. Sure, I like to win, and I have had winning trips, but whether I win or lose, I feel that I get good value from the properties that I play at.
 
Actually, I feel a winning Vegas trip coming on, starting tomorrow.  I hope I am right. 

[backsider]

Im sorry billy, but now its time for the hard truth. I believe you have gambling issues that you try to cover up with bouncy talk. Not good. My program identifies such anxiety combined with playing slot machines (which Ill use to appease the sharpies, who have always said those paytables you play are losers) as "not good" for the first timer. But when its tweaked as a 25th such trip, you have problems.

Heres my particular take. As someone who knows not playing does save money, I see you as not caring anything about this right now because youre overcome with excitement, but somewhere down the road youll wish you didnt pour all that money away into the poker machines just to get satisfied by the too infrequent jackpot wins.

I wish you well.

[BillyJoe]

I'm sorry billy, but now its time for the hard truth. I believe you have gambling issues that you try to cover up with bouncy talk. Not good. My program identifies such anxiety combined with playing slot machines (which Ill use to appease the sharpies, who have always said those paytables you play are losers) as "not good" for the first timer. But when its tweaked as a 25th such trip, you have problems.

Here's my particular take. As someone who knows not playing does save money, I see you as not caring anything about this right now because you're overcome with excitement, but somewhere down the road you'll wish you didn't pour all that money away into the poker machines just to get satisfied by the too infrequent jackpot wins.

I wish you well.
Well, I guess I could just sit and stare at my disposable income, or go out and have some fun. I think I will choose the later. If it makes you feel better,BS, gaming is not the ONLY pastime that I enjoy. This Vegas trip includes three rounds of golf (one is a tournament, the other two are with my wife), two shows, the Miss USA pageant, and a day in a Garden of the Gods pool cabana @ Caesars. A visit to The Qua Spas @ Caesars will probably be worked in, too. And, of course, I will still need my afternoon naps this week.   
Gosh, I hope I have some time to play in the casino..   

[backsider]

Yes, youre doing the right thing. Just keep justifying your trips and rationalizing how the other activities make it good for all that negative gaming you do in order to get the infrequent thrills and to get the self-valued goodies, then when the future turns into today and you wish you werent rented out by the poker machines, itll all be a-ok.

I worry for you billy.

[faygo]

Hit them long and straight  Billy    

[BillyJoe]

Yes, you're doing the right thing. Just keep justifying your trips and rationalizing how the other activities make it good for all that negative gaming you do in order to get the infrequent thrills and to get the self-valued goodies, then when the future turns into today and you wish you weren't rented out by the poker machines, it'll all be a-ok.

I worry for you billy.
One thing that I never do, BS, is regret any decision that I make. I make every decision the best that I can, with the information that I have at the time, and then move on. If I make a mistake, I try and learn from it, and then go forward. Life is unpredictable, so I don't even try. Second-guessing after the fact is a waste of time, since your information has now changed. 
 
I know that I am more fortunate than many folks to be in the place in my life that I am, and I am grateful for it. It was not an accident, though. There was no inheritance or huge lottery winning. I am just the product of the decisions that I made in my life to this point regarding education and work, lessons that I learned from my father.   

[farmfreshguy]

WELL SAID BILLY. SO MANY PEOPLE CRY AND WHINE BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE GETS THE BREAKS. GUESS WHAT, WORK A LITTLE HARDER AND MAKE YOUR OWN BREAKS.