Another Bad Play Pays Off!

[BillyJoe]

billyjoe don't you really mean pseudo-nanoseconds?
Most times, Ted, I have NO idea what I mean..

[mdmick67]

[QUOTE=mdmick67][QUOTE=FloridaPhil]
I knew that I would open up a can of worms with my statement about programing in cold streaks into the software lol. I do however agree that yes the up and down streaks occur with the randomness of the RNG. But it does make one wonder when you are sitting there playing and have worked up say 100 or more credits after a nice hot streak and then the RNG starts dealing all non paying hands wiping out all that you are ahead and more. Try anything that you want to turn things around, like stop your play for a few mins., throw away a possible hand, keep just one card or anything you can think of. Once the down streak starts there is no stopping it other then to play thru it or cash out.

The trouble with streaks, hot and cold, is that you do not know you are in one until it is over. [/QUOTE]


 
billyjoe, what you say is true in most VP games, but i beg to differ when your playing DW it is easy to see when you are in the cold streak and can't stop it.  

[FloridaPhil]

The fact is, there is no way to predict when a good or bad streak is going to happen or if it's over.  This is a fact of randomness and nothing we can do as players can change that.   The fact that streaks occur in Deuces Wild is not what my strategy is based on.   I struggled for along time to determine the best time to move up and down in coins and finally realized that only a totally neutral and consistent move would work.   Moving up when you win 4-5 coins has nothing to do with the next hand, it's just a convenient way of creating your own randomness.  You could just as easily play every 5th hand at 5 coins and you probably would get the same results.   The idea is to play the majority of your hands at one coin which reduces your coin in, then let the machine determine when the random move takes place. If you play 1,000 hands at one coin and 200 hands at five coins, soon or or later you are going to hit a $1,000 quad deuce and I like those odds better than trying for  a quarter Royal that only happens once every 45,000 hands.   I just like dispersing the max coin hands randomly as I play instead of going in all at once. Does this make sense to anyone but me?  

[faygo]

. Does this make sense to anyone but me?  



 Phil stop answering your own question.

[FloridaPhil]

Good point.  I think we've beat this subject to death and then some.  Thirty days until our next video poker road trip.  I can't wait! 
 
This forum needs more members to post their own thoughts about video poker play.  It's boring just talking about hand play strategy and whether or not the games are rigged. 

[shadowman]

Phil, you worked out a strategy that works for you and allows you to play on some negative machines without losing your money too quickly (and leaving with a profit now and then). Billyjoe also has his own strategy that provides much of the same value.
 
The math folks don't have a problem with this kind of play. As long a folks understand they are dealing with random games and they will likely lose over time, then any plan to limit those losses is smart.

[BillyJoe]

Phil, you worked out a strategy that works for you and allows you to play on some negative machines without losing your money too quickly (and leaving with a profit now and then). Billy Joe also has his own strategy that provides much of the same value.
 
The math folks don't have a problem with this kind of play. As long a folks understand they are dealing with random games and they will likely lose over time, then any plan to limit those losses is smart.
That is nice to hear that from you, Shadow. Sounds like you recognize the VP world that a lot of us play in. Now, if another 'expert' on this site would refrain from calling these kind of approaches 'silly' and 'useless', since they are used on negative EV games, I, for one, would be joyful.  

[sam434343]

Yes, i agree with what shawdowman says,tho  there will be some that through luck and there methods will win in the end even if it is a small percentage(Yes very small percentage) because that is what we call luck and all of us have it. I ran into a person i know for over fifteen years, i knew he work at a school turns out he is has a PHD. Physics and teachs at University, we only had few minutes to talk we were on other business.I did ask him how long to get degree almost eight years. I ask about RNG on video poker/slot machines i could not pronouns the word  pseudo-RGN i still have hard time with words remebering and saying anyway. He came out with word right away i wasnt even close to same word he allready knew about and on slot machine/video poker machines, i was like what WOW!  He did say it is not 100% random but then he went on to say that they do have  it is were 100% random with in are gov. in U.S. He used some high tech. words, i was like okay . I ask him next time we meet up if i had some written down question if i could ask him said sure. Will start on new post when i see him again.Sam

[Quad Deuces]

Seems to be a choice of losing more money slower or less money faster.

[BillyJoe]

Seems to be a choice of losing more money slower or less money faster.


Actually, QD, it is more a choice of playing VP in a casino or not playing at all, since many of us do not have access to positive EV VP games. Finding an approach that works in providing entertainment playing VP while not losing constantly is golden.