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[roveer]

[QUOTE=notes1]

premium hands make such a big difference in the results of VP games. any change in the machines that could cause a reduction in those premium hands would certainly have an effect on the cost of gambling. the loss of just a single 400/800 credit win would make a huge difference.  the combination of reduced paytables, costing a couple hundred credits and a reduction of even one premium hand, costing 400/800 credits, would be the difference between the good old days and todays results.   

Absolutely right. It doesn't take too much of an adjustment either. If someone plays a Class II machine and just follows their auto-hold suggestions, you won't notice that much of a difference in play. But the paytable will be 9/6 and it will payback ~92% because you'll just get those winning hands just a bit less often.

But all these proposed ways to "change" the machines written in the thread, are illegal in most states. But who knows, the casino could be breaking the law.

And just because a RNG cycles through numbers faster doesn't lead to results changing if it's a fair game. So what if the machine cycled through 20 dealt quads in the 3 seconds that you waited to hit the deal button instead of 5 dealt quads on some old clunker of an RNG? As long as the long-term probability of a dealt quad is 1 in 4165, I'm cool. My results aren't drastically different between older and newer machines. At least not enough for me to notice without data. [/QUOTE]

Yes, but have you been playing the new machines with the new update that turns off the bill acceptor light and makes you wait 10-15 seconds before a new deal? That seems to be when things really went down hill for me.

Roveer

[Vman96]

Literally 10 to 15 seconds of can't do anything after you insert money? Sounds like those things need to be worked on. I know the newer IGT units are slower with EVERYTHING because graphics must be more important than efficiency... But they never take 10 seconds for me. More like 2 or 3 seconds.

When I refer to new machines, I'm talking All Star Poker IIs, or any of the newer game kings that CET have installed in the past year. I'm currently royalless on them so far but I have been racking up a royalless streak on the older units too. My results between the two types don't seem out of whack to me.   My Vegas royal in Feb. 2012 was on a unit less than 6 months old. The other two royals I have came on units I would define as "old".

[alpax]

rover like you I used to have many days I would leave the casino with a pocketful of W-2G's, had a healthy stack at the end of each year, Now it's a rare treat to get 2, most days I walk out with none now, I now consider a good day when I leave with one. Now I can't say that's true of all casinos here but the two places I really like are always so crowded.

Is this from $2 DDB like you normally mention?

W2Gs from $2 DDB is
1. 4 Aces
2. 4 2s,3s,4s, w/Ace,2,3,4
3. 4 Aces with Any 2,3,4
4. Royal Flush

1 and 2 combined probability is around 1 in 2500 for either or both happening. So the chance of not happening after 5000 hands worth of play (10 hours of 500 hands per hour) will be 13.5%

You can rack up a ton of W2Gs on $5 DB, DDB, TDB by merely hitting any quad.

[roveer]

Literally 10 to 15 seconds of can't do anything after you insert money? Sounds like those things need to be worked on. I know the newer IGT units are slower with EVERYTHING because graphics must be more important than efficiency... But they never take 10 seconds for me. More like 2 or 3 seconds.

When I refer to new machines, I'm talking All Star Poker IIs, or any of the newer game kings that CET have installed in the past year. I'm currently royalless on them so far but I have been racking up a royalless streak on the older units too. My results between the two types don't seem out of whack to me.   My Vegas royal in Feb. 2012 was on a unit less than 6 months old. The other two royals I have came on units I would define as "old".

This happens randomly every few 8-12 minutes. I haven't noticed anything slower in the normal course of the game, but with these newer updates you'll be playing along and every once in a while after you hold your cards and draw you'll have to wait 10 or so seconds until the machine becomes active again. Not every hand, but somewhere between 5-10 minutes, maybe a bit longer.

Roveer

[Vman96]

Those machines are garbage then and they should fix them. I'm assuming these are the new IGT units that CET bought last year? It's never been a 10-second delay anywhere I've played. I don't even recall if the game has really delayed at all in between hands. The older machines seemed to do that small delay more often for sure, but those were only about a second. Ten seconds is a damn eternity to a VP player.   

[alpax]

I always thought the machine pauses a little bit after inserting a $20 or $100 bill because it tries to verify the integrity of the note to see if it is real.

I have access to a newer Game King machine at a local casino. I'll do some closer observations with those machines. I know it has the 3 speed setting enabled to allow you to play 800-1000 hands per hour.

[olds442jetaway]

I am probably heading up late tonight, so I will also keep my eyes open for any oddities. I have enough trouble keeping ahead of the dam sticky hold and even the deal buttons, but I will add this to the mix. That is if I even play vp tonight. Last session, I bombed out and reluctantly near the end, played a little on the mindless penny machines. Clara T and a new highly animated one with progressives up top. I forget the name of that one, but it has an Asian theme with the minimum bet being 38 cents. Some may recognize it just from that. Of course, you guessed it. Got some of my lost vp money back from the mindless machines. Have to admit. I enjoyed the fireworks, music, and animation on the Asian one. So sad, when these machines can beat vp returns hands down. This isn't the first time I got a little back at the end on them, just the first time I admit to playing them.

[pokerpokerpoker]

When it comes to the newstyle machines I have a few observations. Here they are in no particular order.

Dealt quads seem way more common. During my 3 day Vegas trip I had between 10-13 dealt quads. Locally, I have had quite a few also.

Hitting quad 2,3,4 with a kicker has been nearly impossible. Between Vegas and local play, I haven't hit ANY. And that is over 30-40 hours of play.

Aces, and AWAK have shown up at the same rate as the old style machines.

Now of course in the short run anything can happen and heck this year I am ahead, so I can't gripe too loudly. But, given a choice, I would rather play the old style machines. Actually, I do have a choice. But the best paytables locally are on the new machines (99%+).

[FAA]

Dealt quads seem way more common. During my 3 day Vegas trip I had
between 10-13 dealt quads. Locally, I have had quite a few also.A rare phenomenon in AC from my observations! Granted, doing two hrs a week on JOB.