Saw A Huge Win Today

[ko king]

KK, even twenty extra miles is tolerable, given today's gas prices. If you get mad, you will throw good money after bad. Get even by exploiting the more playable casino. Why is it so bad anyway? I gave up pondering that as it is irrelevant to my primary consideration, finishing each session in the black.

Nah, 20 miles isn't a big deal, but it's crazy that the pay tables are the exact same at the two casinos, yet the results are crazy different. I'm sure that explains why one casino is crowed and the other is almost empty. I wished I knew why the one casino is bad. The best explanation I have ever heard was that the one casino has machines that offer vp at the .25-.50-$1.00 denomination, the casino where I do so bad at has vp machines that can be played at .05-.25-$1.00 denomination. The casino I do far better at has a good mix of different players, just as many players play $1 denomination at max play as do .25 players. The other casino has very few vp players to start with and the ones that do play pretty much just slow play .05 denomination at one credit in order to get free drinks. The better casino has way more money going into the vp machines which stands to reason that way more money has to come out of them, which increases the chances of me hitting a hot streak. The vp at the casino that kicks my butt has very little money going into them so it stands to reason that very little will come out of them. I don't know if that makes sense but that's all I got.

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=ko king]I don't know if that makes sense but that's all I got.[/quote]Sometimes you see things that don't make a bit of sense.  My local casino had three machines that where hot as hell for about three months earlier this year.  I hit a $1,000 quad deuces on them three weeks in a row and almost always got a wild royal or 5 of a kind within a few hands of sitting down.  While I was waiting a guy in front of me hit a $5,000 quad deuce right before I hit another one for $1,000.  After a month or two, they moved these three machines to another part of the casino and I haven't done anything on them since.  Must have been "Feng Shiu"!  

[FAA]

KK, makes sense. GIGO: garbage in, garbage out.
Enjoy the drive.

[ko king]

[quote=ko king]I don't know if that makes sense but that's all I got.Sometimes you see things that don't make a bit of sense.  My local casino had three machines that where hot as hell for about three months earlier this year.  I hit a $1,000 quad deuces on them three weeks in a row and almost always got a wild royal or 5 of a kind within a few hands of sitting down.  While I was waiting a guy in front of me hit a $5,000 quad deuce right before I hit another one for $1,000.  After a month or two, they moved these three machines to another part of the casino and I haven't done anything on them since.  Must have been "Feng Shiu"!   [/QUOTE]


I've seen a lot of things over the years that don't make sense to me. Our local casino is a good example, when they first opened the place was packed to the rafters and the vp machines were being played like crazy, nobody was really hitting anything. I couldn't hit squat in the place and it was rare to see anyone else hit, after a while the place was quiet as a church. The casino must have undertaken an effort to get back players because they were sending out some super generous free play offers to me and others too no doubt. The machines were on fire for about 3 weeks, you couldn't lose, nobody could lose, hand pays everywhere including the slots. Word got out quick and the crowd came back, the place is growing by leaps and bounds now. The newest casino to open in this area must have taken a different route, I was there on opening day and the crowd wasn't anything like I expected. I enjoyed my best day of playing at a casino in all my years of play, that day I played $2 TDB at max play and wore them out, even decided to play slots and did even better. The hot machines brought the players in and I enjoyed playing there for a few weeks until it was like someone turned the switch off. After 10 more trips to that casino and getting my butt handed to me I quit going because it is a 3 hour drive for me one way. The last time I was at that casino I doubt there was more than 100 people playing in that casino. I know plenty of folks swear there's no way adjust or change vp machines other than the pay tables but I don't buy it, seen too many things that don't make sense.

[DaBurglar]

Great thread (most of it anyway...)People have ignorantly plopped my opinion and arguments in the "wrong": category or bucket......I firmly "have faith" that the majority of Video Poker is Legit in terms of following the specific rules and regs of the jurisdiction (or market) that casinos happen to be situated within.....this includes AC.What I have been saying since I arrived here is that in AC, there is a significant portion of the video poker games/machines that do not behave in the same manner as they do in a market such as Vegas, and also these machines behave in such a way that the results they spit out DO NOT adhere to the assumed principles of statistical normalcy that an erudite and seasoned player like myself would typical assume.....hence I get a ****e load of results that simply do not make statistical sense.    Now WHY this is the case is the 64 dollar question......i do NOT go so far as to absolutely declare this is in fact "CHEATING" or even fraud.....I believe (as a result of my actual play results PLUS all the research and inquiry that I personally have done over the last 5 years or so) that in AC, there is a current huge disconnect between the nearly non-existent oversite (in house oversite) of the casinos by the ever changing and ever shrinking regulatory authority in New Jersey (this is a FACT which any motivated person can easily verify as I have done);  PLUS, the sick economy has exerted pressure and lessened the potential downside for any single casino to actual try and pull some "crap".....this is also a self evident fact (i.e.  If a casino is on its way out, or dying, some people or managers/execs just might say "What the hell?"  and pull something anyway.....someone tell me this is not possible!)So there, that's my "position".....I am enjoying hearing/seeing/reading everyone else's take, please continue......AND FWIW, I do believe that a couple months ago, I was actually the FIRST poster here to use the Volkswagen situation/story as evidence of just how a so-called "HIGHLY REGULATED and POLICED industry, full of legit ethical and principled companies with reputations worth preserving, could find itself embroiled and sullied with a scandal as serious, deep and complex as the current VW scandal.....this is no shocker, this kind of crap has been going on since ancient times (fraud, corruption, arrogance, stupidity, delusion etc etc)

[FAA]

The real issue for me is bankroll. Assuming I pick the right casino, I usually get the corresponding JOB results. Unfortunately, by the time statistical normalcy grants me a quad, I can lose most of my capital.

[Tedlark]

So DaBurglar are you and your crystal ball still going to Las Vegas the first week of December?

Why is it that you disappear for a while right after you get slammed here in the forums? What does your crystal ball say about that?

Come on, you actually specifically mentioned Volkswagen   in a post a couple months ago? I don't recall that story being in the news a couple months ago.

[notes1]

do not need to have a crystal ball to see that there are a lot of posters who have/are disappearing from this forum. likely a mutitude of reasons and slamming may be one of them. as far as the 'slammers' go, ever notice how few if any threads they start. i guess they get their kicks from finding some inaccuracy/wrong play/wrong machine/questionong of casino intergrity, etc, that they can pounce on. end result, less participation by posters. and, the forum turns into an infomercial for dancer. what a great forum it has turned into!

[FAA]

do not need to have a crystal ball to see that there are a lot of
posters who have/are disappearing from this forum. The
'slammers', ever notice how few if any threads they start. i guess
they get their kicks from finding some inaccuracy/wrong play/wrong
machine/questioning of casino integrity, etc, that they can pounce
on. end result, less participation by posters. What a great forum it has turned into!--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hang in there, Notes. Only sixty more posts and you will achieve Master!

[ko king]

do not need to have a crystal ball to see that there are a lot of posters who have/are disappearing from this forum. likely a mutitude of reasons and slamming may be one of them. as far as the 'slammers' go, ever notice how few if any threads they start. i guess they get their kicks from finding some inaccuracy/wrong play/wrong machine/questionong of casino intergrity, etc, that they can pounce on. end result, less participation by posters. and, the forum turns into an infomercial for dancer. what a great forum it has turned into!

I don't let them bother me much, but Dancer did tick me off a while back. I made a post referring to how many and how often I would get W-2G's while playing $2 denom DDB up until a few years back. He poked a little fun at me by inferring that I said something I never did. I kind of shook it off because I understand his style and purpose. I like to rattle the cage every so often and see how many and which posters on this site come running when you say something about vp possibly being different in certain areas, funny thing is I doubt any of them have spent more than a few hours or possibly a few days playing the machines I have played for over 20 years. Their opinions always trump my paper trail.