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[spxChrome]

A Google search hints that the author behind this is Victor H. Royer. FOR SHAME, Victor!!!!

I didn't want to spam the book on a forum but yes that is him.

[spxChrome]

Wow you are right that is 84%

If the law says the min PB is 88% then that is in violation. A casino breaking the law who would have ever thought it was possible with all the regulations in place.

In MS we have a law that no VP machine is allowed to payback over 100%. After a couple of years they finally took a row of DDB out that was over 100% but left 2 in the high limit section that are still there. Again, another violation.

[ko king]

Wow you are right that is 84%

If the law says the min PB is 88% then that is in violation. A casino breaking the law who would have ever thought it was possible with all the regulations in place.

In MS we have a law that no VP machine is allowed to payback over 100%. After a couple of years they finally took a row of DDB out that was over 100% but left 2 in the high limit section that are still there. Again, another violation.




Where are the machines in Ms. that have over 100%?

[DaBurglar]

Wow you are right that is 84%

If the law says the min PB is 88% then that is in violation. A casino breaking the law who would have ever thought it was possible with all the regulations in place.

In MS we have a law that no VP machine is allowed to payback over 100%. After a couple of years they finally took a row of DDB out that was over 100% but left 2 in the high limit section that are still there. Again, another violation.

HEY......if someone wants to pursue this, then please look into the following issue as you pursue answers:If....IF...the state comes back and tries to say, "NO this machine does in fact MEET the minimum requirement of 88% PB"  then ask them about the paytable and how is it possible for such a paytable to pay back 88% when clearly it cannot......If they still insist......TEHN we have them!   Because that would HAVE to mean then that the RNG inside is NOT drawing or selecting numbers (i.e. CARDS) according to what we KNOW is supposed to be the case.......I've finally happened upon something (albeit from another state) that mirrors or echoes what I was up against in AC all those years as I attempted to get a straight, consistent answer from the  "New Jersey Division of Casino Gaming Authority Enforcement Department Action Office of Emptiness"   located on Tennessee Avenue just off the Boardwalk in Atlantic City (if you hang a right coming out of Resorts on the Boardwalk its the second street down right on the corner....ring the bell on the SIDE entrance on TENN. Ave., although no one will probably answer until you catch someone either coming out or entering!)

[Tedlark]

For those who would be interested in pursuing this with the Mississippi Gaming Commission please realize that the New Jersey Division of Casino Gaming, located on Tennessee Ave in Atlantic City would have very little to say about the matter of a casino gaming dispute in Mississippi.

But for clarity, the Mississippi Gaming Commission Headquarters is located at: 620 North Street, Suite 200, Jackson, MS 39202. The Mississippi Gaming Commission also has several other offices but to save time I just listed the address of their headquarters.

[DaBurglar]

for those of you who can read better than Tedlark (all 98% of you), no doubt you noticed in my previous post that I NEVER said to ask about a Mississippi matter in New Jersey, and furthermore you probably caught my sarcastic reference to the nebulous, ever changing titles and names the New jersey office has gone by over the years......further-further more, I also poked fun at myself with the mere issuance of the address of said nebulous office, as I often reminded others in many past posts of said address, mocking myself in a way unfamiliar to others here who would never ever engage in any type of self deprecation, lest they lose face with their imaginary audience.

[Bobbi]

4 to the royal is always my death hand - if I don't get it, I lose for the rest of the day.

[asteroid]

In my opinion, the key takeaway here guys is that we observe a blatant gaming regulations statute violation in Toronto, Canada. So if a casino has no problem with a highly visible violation where a person can simply glance at the paytable to see the violation, then I think it follows that a more subtle RNG violation is clearly on the menu since these sorts of violations are much harder to detect. A Casino could run at -2 standard deviations and never be caught since this is enough to make a lot of money from players even with perfect discarding, yet not a big enough deviation to be easily detectable.I don't have a smartphone, but I will give you a blatant example (in the players favor) that happened to me 5 days ago and 4 days ago. 5 days ago I caught a 5 of a kind consisting of three 3s and two wild jacks (OEJ). On the machine right next to it I caught the exact same hand 4 days ago (one day after the 1st 5oak) except the middle two threes were reversed in position (positions 3 and 4 from left to right). but the composition of the 5 of a kind was the same (same suits and ranks for the non-wilds, and two wild cards, just like the day before). I got the usual pattern of trash hands for a long while on both sessions followed by the single premium hand bomb on each day (to bring the payback in line with the 97.5% hold of this machine which has ripoff Keno on it). After about an hour of play each day I finished about 10 dollars ahead on day X and 7 dollars ahead on day X+1 (playing 1 to 10 nickels at a time - mostly 1 nickel using cycle-betting 10 coin potshots).You'll pick up a 5oak about 1 in every 2100 hands on OEJ with optimal discarding if you happen to be unfamiliar with OEJ. So to have the exact same hands only playing for an hour each day (I can play OEJ at about 600 hands an hour since it is a more complex game than dw or bp) on adjacent machines is weird. Does this mean it's rigged ? Not necessarily, but I just want to say that to think it cannot be on the menu is dangerous, since more blatant/easier to prove violations have been established per the screenshot of the 84% game.
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Wow you are right that is 84%

If the law says the min PB is 88% then that is in violation. A casino breaking the law who would have ever thought it was possible with all the regulations in place.

In MS we have a law that no VP machine is allowed to payback over 100%. After a couple of years they finally took a row of DDB out that was over 100% but left 2 in the high limit section that are still there. Again, another violation.

HEY......if someone wants to pursue this, then please look into the following issue as you pursue answers:If....IF...the state comes back and tries to say, "NO this machine does in fact MEET the minimum requirement of 88% PB"  then ask them about the paytable and how is it possible for such a paytable to pay back 88% when clearly it cannot......If they still insist......TEHN we have them!   Because that would HAVE to mean then that the RNG inside is NOT drawing or selecting numbers (i.e. CARDS) according to what we KNOW is supposed to be the case.......I've finally happened upon something (albeit from another state) that mirrors or echoes what I was up against in AC all those years as I attempted to get a straight, consistent answer from the  "New Jersey Division of Casino Gaming Authority Enforcement Department Action Office of Emptiness"   located on Tennessee Avenue just off the Boardwalk in Atlantic City (if you hang a right coming out of Resorts on the Boardwalk its the second street down right on the corner....ring the bell on the SIDE entrance on TENN. Ave., although no one will probably answer until you catch someone either coming out or entering!)[/QUOTE]

[ko king]

   For those who would be interested in pursuing this with the Mississippi Gaming Commission please realize that the New Jersey Division of Casino Gaming, located on Tennessee Ave in Atlantic City would have very little to say about the matter of a casino gaming dispute in Mississippi.

But for clarity, the Mississippi Gaming Commission Headquarters is located at: 620 North Street, Suite 200, Jackson, MS 39202. The Mississippi Gaming Commission also has several other offices but to save time I just listed the address of their headquarters.

They may list several offices but I bet you can't find a person at almost any of them. They list an office in Tunica, I know where it is but nobody is ever there. I know because I have a bone to pick with them about one casino in particular but the place is always empty.

[DaBurglar]

In my opinion, the key takeaway here guys is that we observe a blatant gaming regulations statute violation in Toronto, Canada. So if a casino has no problem with a highly visible violation where a person can simply glance at the paytable to see the violation, then I think it follows that a more subtle RNG violation is clearly on the menu since these sorts of violations are much harder to detect. A Casino could run at -2 standard deviations and never be caught since this is enough to make a lot of money from players even with perfect discarding, yet not a big enough deviation to be easily detectable.


Hey asteroid, I isolated this portion of your post because I feel it is so spot on accurate, and one of the best, well written summations of the issue of potential discrepancies in video poker Machines we players encounter from time to time! You succinctly described how things in a given machine can perpetually continue in a messed fashion with players noticing something is off but not quite being able to define it, prove it or fix it.....For a wide variety of reasons. Keep on the watch asteroid and well done!