right play or wrong play????

[shadowman]

[QUOTE=shadowman]We know because the manufacturer, IGT, has stated that is the way it works.
 
I have been quoted other wise but i've moved beyond that as that horse is dead.[/QUOTE]


 
By the director of development at IGT? Another employee? Or some slot technician?
 
I was told by a slot technician once that the machines used the parallel method of dealing a good 8 years after that had stopped.
 
Since it doesn't matter as far as results go, it's a moot point. But, it's good to hear about in any event.
 
BTW, I've heard that some states have specific regulations for the method used. So, it could vary by state.   

[New2vp]

YOU RANG!
 
It never gets old!

[faygo]

[QUOTE=faygo]YOU RANG!
 
It never gets old!
[/QUOTE]
 
TRUE, BUT OUR SCORES ON QQ W/WHEEL SURE DID TODAY.

[New2vp]

Good point.  I saw we were both in big holes there.  I thought I dug out a bit, but Nansealoo (et al.) passed me like I was standing still.  I've had some good scores on this game, but never 12,000+ in a day like she(?) got.  I'll try to get a couple thousand more before I retire, but that could mean 4000 negative.  We'll see.

[Lucky Larry]

I've been watching this conversation. Boy do I like miss CD's comments. RIP, we miss you CD.

LL

[brmcc74]

  Continual shuffling prevents even those who have a really sophisticated notion of a particular RNG's programming from taking advantage of any pattern of cards that might indicate exactly where in the cycle of random numbers that a particular machine is and thus give the player even a slightly better idea of what cards might come up next.   
 
This is a logical theory.

[New2vp]

I've been watching this conversation. Boy do I like miss CD's comments. RIP, we miss you CD.

LLAmen!

[spxChrome]

[QUOTE=spxChrome][QUOTE=shadowman]We know because the manufacturer, IGT, has stated that is the way it works.
 
I have been quoted other wise but i've moved beyond that as that horse is dead.[/QUOTE]


 
By the director of development at IGT? Another employee? Or some slot technician?
 
I was told by a slot technician once that the machines used the parallel method of dealing a good 8 years after that had stopped.
 
Since it doesn't matter as far as results go, it's a moot point. But, it's good to hear about in any event.
 
BTW, I've heard that some states have specific regulations for the method used. So, it could vary by state.   [/QUOTE]
 
 
Email from IGT.  But like I said I don't really wanna circle this wagon again.   It was explained to me that the cards are dealt like LIVE POKER.  Don't get that confused with 5 cards up and 5 under or a continous RNG.  Think of it as LIVE POKER.  You shuffle you deal, you toss 3 you get 3 from the top of the deck, not what was underneath and not randomly picking out of the shuffle.  This way the game simulates to the best of its ability how Live Poker is played.  The dealer does not sit there and shuffle the cards while you are deciding what to hold.
 
 
 

[damule]

 
Email from IGT.  But like I said I don't really wanna circle this wagon again.   It was explained to me that the cards are dealt like LIVE POKER.  Don't get that confused with 5 cards up and 5 under or a continous RNG.  Think of it as LIVE POKER.  You shuffle you deal, you toss 3 you get 3 from the top of the deck, not what was underneath and not randomly picking out of the shuffle.  This way the game simulates to the best of its ability how Live Poker is played.  The dealer does not sit there and shuffle the cards while you are deciding what to hold.
 
 

 
 
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
 
spx,
 
 I don't know where you're getting your information from. IGT engineering and development does not email to private individuals how their machines work. You may have received an email from some entry level customer service rep that knows nothing as to how these games operate.
 
 Too bad CD is gone. He'd be able to post links to the articles that prove the point. But back in the 80's some guy who worked for a company that IGT eventually absorbed was caught writing cycles into the programs to call up patterns by holding certain cards in certain sequences. Thusly, he knew what cards were up next in the "poker deck."
 
 After he was caught, the Nevada Gaming Commision made it manditory that electronic games of skill cannot have any sequences or patterns written into their programming, this led to the RNG as we know it now, continually cycling before and after the deal button is pressed and until the draw button is pressed.
 
 There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. That is how "ALL" class III video poker machines work in this country and most likely globally. If you believe otherwise, keep holding pairs of fours instead of 4 to a flush or two pair and hope your luck continues.
 
 I know you're talking from your personal experiences, but trust me you are wrong in the way you believe these machines work and you're wrong in your strategy. You may have had some nice hits, but the math does not lie, your strategies are grossly flawed. I speak from a strong math, science and computer background as well as having more playing experience than probably 99.9999% of the world's video poker players. Read sites like wizard of odds and vp genius, you'll only learn something.
 
 

[spxChrome]

 
 
spx,
 
 I don't know where you're getting your information from. IGT engineering and development does not email to private individuals how their machines work. You may have received an email from some entry level customer service rep that knows nothing as to how these games operate.
 
 Too bad CD is gone. He'd be able to post links to the articles that prove the point. But back in the 80's some guy who worked for a company that IGT eventually absorbed was caught writing cycles into the programs to call up patterns by holding certain cards in certain sequences. Thusly, he knew what cards were up next in the "poker deck."
 
 After he was caught, the Nevada Gaming Commision made it manditory that electronic games of skill cannot have any sequences or patterns written into their programming, this led to the RNG as we know it now, continually cycling before and after the deal button is pressed and until the draw button is pressed.
 
 There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. That is how "ALL" class III video poker machines work in this country and most likely globally. If you believe otherwise, keep holding pairs of fours instead of 4 to a flush or two pair and hope your luck continues.
 
 I know you're talking from your personal experiences, but trust me you are wrong in the way you believe these machines work and you're wrong in your strategy. You may have had some nice hits, but the math does not lie, your startegies are grossly flawed. I speak from a strong math, science and computer background as well as having more playing experience than probably 99.9999% of the world's video poker players. Read sites like wizard of odds and vp genius, you'll only learn something.
 
 
 
I'm just telling you what they told me, this was several years ago.  And I wish I still had the email.  And their method has nothing do to with sequences or patterns.  Its played like a LIVE 5 card draw game.  And you are right they don't respond today but back when I originally asked this is what they told me.  That is all I have to go on.  And really there is no need to go on the attack on my play.  I'm not forcing my play on anybody and I even admit its not the best play.  But I play short-term and for fun.  Am not out their trying to make a living at it, and I know in the long run nobody on this forum is gonna come out a winner.  No matter how many wizards or geniuses you read or ask, even with the comps.