State whether or not you have won....

[Tedlark]

When I read posts from people here, telling of long streaks without royals, and when I hit multiple royals in a single session, it sometimes would make a person wonder just what's going on? As we all know, in theory a royal should show about every 40,000 hands but this doesn't mean that a player won't get lucky and hit them with more frequency. This is where the math comes in.

[Carcounter]

They are on these machines too.

[DaBurglar]

For at least the third time......The purpose of this thread as clearly stated by me is to simply "poll" the people on this forum as to whether or not MOST people are winning, losing or staying the same and whether or not they perceive VP to be harder to win at without including external elements......THAT IS IT.I never made any other claims, but this thread EVOLVED from the simple dispute Ted and i HAD OVER WHETHER EVEN THE PEOPLE AT THIS FORUM ONLY ARE  experiencing better worse or the same results, etc.Ted constantly twists and distorts me, what i WRITE, say etc....anyone who has followed this whole absurd spectacle for the last 3-4 years KNOWS that at the very least he is as CULPABLE as I am for any ill will or whatever you want to term it......at the most he is a stalking, arrogant, got-to-get-in-the-last word bully.   He writes what he writes in this THREAD because he knows that NO One is going to bother and go back and read the discourse over the last 3-4 years and see that everything he claims about the state of things between us is total BS and a fabrication.I started this thread to discuss things....it is not a study, it is not a "FINAL WORD"......he loves to take things LITERALLY when it suits him, and then interject or twist and distort.Anyone who wants to see that I am correct about Ted only has to search on just about anyone of my Threads that I have started over the years and see that I am right, and he is a completely wrong and dishonest to boot......he is not "disputing" my erroneous views or statements when he relentlessly disrupts and torpedoes every single post I make....for ONE SIMPLE example (of MANY), go to the "VEGAS section" and read my thread on VAcation Packages and see his childishness in full display.it KILLS him that I see right through his total act and that he cannot simply "outpost" me and make me go away so he can have the last word....will not happen, ever.   Webman will have to give me the boot, and if he does, ted goes too and he knows it.

[rascal]

If you read Dancer's comment way up there that without the comps and other freebies, he is a loser, that ought to open your eyes. He is a professional who studies the game constantly, scouts out the best casinos, best games, practices-practices-practices, etc etc etc.... and yet, without comps and freebies he honestly admits he would be a loser. To run a poll such as this asking whether players are winning or losing is simply solicitation for a dishonest reply. Over time, casino games cannot be beaten if you don't also play the comps and freebie game. Yes, anyone can have a lucky streak for a day, a week, a year, maybe longer --- but over time eventually the casino's expected return will catch up with you. The only sure things in life are death, taxes, and losing VP.

[Tedlark]

If you read Dancer's comment way up there that without the comps and other freebies, he is a loser, that ought to open your eyes. He is a professional who studies the game constantly, scouts out the best casinos, best games, practices-practices-practices, etc etc etc.... and yet, without comps and freebies he honestly admits he would be a loser. To run a poll such as this asking whether players are winning or losing is simply solicitation for a dishonest reply. Over time, casino games cannot be beaten if you don't also play the comps and freebie game. Yes, anyone can have a lucky streak for a day, a week, a year, maybe longer --- but over time eventually the casino's expected return will catch up with you. The only sure things in life are death, taxes, and losing VP.


Amen rascal, amen.

[Tedlark]

I had no dispute with you DaBurglar; you asked about winning or losing and I responded.You then widened and modified the scope of what you were asking and, again, I replied.

If you continue to call me a liar and dishonest I will continue to drop on you. Regarding the Las Vegas post, I posted that because I don't think you booked a trip that you had claimed to book; who's the liar? For the record,I could care less if you go to Las Vegas (or the moon for that matter).

[EDC1977]

Well stated Rascal. Enough said.

[shadowman]

I've won money almost every year. However, since I play older machines it probably doesn't fit.

[roveer]

You are just PO'd because I am being proven right ......I said Most people are down and finding it harder to win lately, and lo and behold it is the case.   You insist on crafting this totally bogus characterizations of what "I (me Daburglar) am trying to say".....There is no flag, no camp, and no one is saying video poker is whacked.   You do that all the time Ted, make up absurd simplifications of posts and points I make..... WHAT A LOT of people are saying is it is very hard to win at Video Poker, harder than ever, and it is not simply to be explained away by lousy paytables or negative thoughts....why you are so upset by this is beyond me, except to say it pops the 80% balloon you play with inside your head.......that whaaaa whaaaa whaaa you hear is in your own head.Just let other people beside you and me post for once and get a word in edge wise huh?    You friggin box people out with all you noise and BS.....I'm totally serious

Daburglar:

You and I have talked a lot about VP. You know I've plumbed the machines, you know I've been inside. You know I've talked to a lot of people including a slots manager and lots of tech's. I've watched these people doing their jobs. You also know I've played A LOT of VP over the past 4 years. Even with my scorching losses from mid-2014 on I still have the same opinion. It's not rigged. I'll repeat my reason for believing this. With our human perception of winning / losing over a single session or even multiple sessions we are not able to adequately quantify and comment on what happens statistically over the long run. I used to have 10 HP's per visit on a semi regular basis. I went several months without a single HP and so far this year have only seen 2, both small. I've scaled my VP play back in a big way, but I still maintain that the systems are playing by the rules. I say this even when I see single line or less than max bet sometimes achieves quads when i can't hit one to save my life at max bet. It still boils down to statistics. A lot of the Harrah's machines are starting to show degraded pay tables, for DDB it's the 35 coin FH instead of 40 which is bad to begin with. On my 25c-1.00 machines they are still paying 40 coins, but all of the nickel machines are 35. That does add up after a while.

I've got to be several million hands into VP, I'm guessing 3-4 million and still haven't seen a dealt royal (should be 1 in 649,740). You've seen my pictures, I've seen a lot of interesting hands. I've struggled with overplaying and since the end of last year have made a conscious effort to make changes in that area. Right now I'm playing mostly comps with very little input from my own cash. I still enjoy the games, I still enjoy my Harrah's visits and I'm still getting good comps. That will soon end. My biggest thing is I'd really like to know what my ADT was when I was playing huge sessions. I'm sure I've got to be near the top of the list for NJ casinos. I played Huge. I'll probably never find out, but if the opportunity presents itself to find out, i'll take it.

I applaud your efforts to get to the truth, but from all of my experiences I have come to the conclusion that there's really nothing there to find. I'm solving the problem a different way. I'm transitioning out of big VP play and keeping it at an entertainment level. Hopefully I'll see a big pop and that will make it even more fun.

Roveer

[DaBurglar]

welcome back roveer, first of all...Rascal, I respect what you said and it makes sense......we all know (including me) that casino games are built in with a house edge....what I am saying, and what a lot of other people are saying, it SEEMS like that "edge" has taken on a more severe manifestation these last 5 years wen it comes to VP play results...... Now, Someone point out where in this thread I specifically said VP is rigged?For the FOURTH time, I asked for people's input on what their results have been for the last 4-5 years......reason for this is simple:  In previous threads I make the claim (now proven correct by this thread) that a MAJORITY of the people playing serious VP feel/think/perceive the game(s) are not performing or yielding the way they used to.....it was disputed by someone who shall be nameless that my claim is wrong.   THAT IS ALL!I want to simply achieve a consensus (and put to rest any dispute) that MORE people feel the game(s) of VP today are harder to win and as a result, they have been even MORE unprofitable than usual the last 4-5 years.......this is now shown to be the case at least as far as the people who have posted in this thread thus far.