Pot Shots Anyone?

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Tedlark]Phil when you mention the "royal bonus" why don't you also mention the
"other bunuses" too? Or do you only mention the "royal bonus" because
you are talking only of JOB?[/quote]I mention the Royal Bonus because that is the only VP bonus that I know of where you are paid extra for playing max coins. With all other hands, you get the full jackpot based on the bet you made.[quote=Tedlark]Also: when you mention that the frequency of a player hitting aces or
quad deuces possibly more frequently because they can play more hands
longer with "the same money" is a half-truth. Just like royals there are
no certainties as to how often aces or quad deuces may, or may not hit.
[/quote] This is true.  There are NO guarantees in video poker.  However, If you play more hands with the same money you do have more chances.[quote=Tedlark]You've mentioned many times in the last couple weeks that you
ultimately do not care how anybody plays video poker but yet you still
push playing single coin.[/quote]Some forum members consistently make statements about single coin play that are not true.  I can not sit on the side lines and let these people berate players for playing smart.  These same people produce mathematics to prove playing single coin is a loser.   Mathematical calculations have no basis in the real world of video poker because video poker is not played by computers playing 100% games in a math lab.   It's played in casinos by human beings with distractions, errors, human frailties, limited wills and bankrolls.  Very few players in the world can play positive games 100% accurately forever and have the financial means and stamina to win long term.  This means most players lose and betting more in the form of max coins makes your losses bigger even with the royal bonus added in.I play max coins the majority of the time.  I do not do so because I believe it's more profitable.  I do so because I want the casino to reward me with comps.  The casino managers know if they can get players to run more money through their machines they make more money, so they give us something extra to help ease the pain.  The other reason I play max coins is because I like the sound of 4,000 bells going off and I'm willing to pay to hear it.

[billryan]

Does the sun set in the east in Phil's world?
Gravity not apply in Phil's world?
As he states that math doesn't apply, I'm just curious what other principals don't?
Maybe Phil can explain how someone hitting 5 single coin full house for a payout of 45 coins is superior to someone else hitting a single max coin full house of 45.
Then he can explain how someone hitting a $62.50 royal flush is better than a $1,000 one.
The ironic thing is that Phil claims his entire strategy is about letting people play more hands. Problem being the more hands one plays, the more Royals one gets.
A sane person would look at that and realize the obvious flaw. Phil looks at it and gives his- I'm rich, and don't get about winning money, I just play for fun excuse.
That's because Phil has discovered video poker's secret.
A secret no other expert dares to reveal.

[Vman96]

[quote=Tedlark]Phil when you mention the "royal bonus" why don't you also mention the
"other bunuses" too? Or do you only mention the "royal bonus" because
you are talking only of JOB?I mention the Royal Bonus because that is the only VP bonus that I know of where you are paid extra for playing max coins. With all other hands, you get the full jackpot based on the bet you made.

[/QUOTE]

Triple Double Bonus is a HUGE mistake with max coins. Aces w/kicker and the royal both typically get shorted to 400 for 1.

That drops 9/7 from 99.58% to 96.05%. Ouch!

Or you can be really dumb and not bet max on this game.



Max Coins 99.92%
1 to 4 Coins 90.34%!!!!
Getting paid triple on the 4 Deuces at max bet is key to playing Triple Deuces Wild obviously.

[buffalochips]

Even when I was a former max-bet genius hammer----I would use the less-than-max lines when you run bad....down to the last 20-dollar bill.....To do what???....play longer....until maybe the pokergods blessed me with an upswing in momentum....sitting in a free room the last 2 nights out of four.......broke.....with barely two-dollars for busfare back to McCarran....is maybe something these other geniuses have never had to factor into a stat-mythical return......which means they are all subsidized pro-wannabes that play the game...but never fully experienced life.....as a videopoker player...

[buffalochips]

much less....any form of consequential gambler....

[buffalochips]

Share your stories to enlighten/warn/educate.....play your way that works for you......but never play with the rent money....

[FloridaPhil]

[quote=Vman96]Triple Double Bonus is a HUGE mistake with max coins. Aces w/kicker and the royal both typically get shorted to 400 for 1. [/quote]Definitely correct.  TDB is another game with a max coin bonus. I never play it, so I wouldn't know.   I have been playing video poker for a long time.   I've had good years and bad.  Playing single coin addresses the biggest problem players who play negative games have, controlling losses.  It does no good to bet 5 times bigger to earn a bonus if the cost of earning that bonus is more than the bonus itself.   Players who don't understand this ignore their losses and only think about their wins.  This is a very common scenario with gamblers.   If you really want a shock, go over to the Player's Club and ask them for a printout of your play.  My bet is you have no idea how much it's costing you to win playing VP!Long term winning at VP is an art and a science  There are many things involved that have nothing to do with the game itself.  Players who make their living this way are skilled experts in money management, comps, promotions and they know when not to play.  It also helps if you have a big trust fund or a rich parent to bail you out.   For most of us the cheaper we play the less it costs.

[billryan]

On the one hand, we have Sanford Wong, Elliot Jacobson, Norm Wattenburger, Micheal Shackleford, and every other video poker expert saying to always play max coins for the pay table,including the people who run this very site.
On the other hand we have Florida Phil Fa La La La La.... La la la la
When the finest mathematical minds in the field say something, you'd be pretty foolish to listen to some buffoon barking at the moon claiming they are wrong.
Nuff said.

[FloridaPhil]

I play in real casinos, not some Vegas Fantasy Land where all the games are positive and the casinos give away comps just because they like seeing your face.  The experts you named don't know squat about how to make money on the games I play, because there isn't any way.   Every one of those experts will tell you not to play those games and if you pushed them for an answer, here's what they would say.   There are only three ways to limit your losses when playing negative video poker games less than perfectly; play smaller, play slower or don't play at all.  You seem to think I'm saying playing single coin is a winning strategy.  You either can't read or just like arguing with yourself.   Playing smaller on negative VP games does not pay better, it loses less.If you are an average VP player in America and the games you play including comps and incentives are negative, you are ultimately paying the casino to play.  The cost is up to you.If anyone on this website would like to challenge me to a test, I will be happy to put my money where my mouth is.  Lets play $100.   You play max coin quarters and I'll play single coin quarters.   The one with the most money at the end wins.   My bet is I'll still be playing my first $100 long after you've left and gone home.

[billryan]

Define a session?
That, in a nutshell is your problem. Every single hand you play, from now until you die is part of one big session.
Trying to make stupid bets just reinforces your lack of understanding.