VP-Which Machine Will You Play?

[mdmick67]

Shadow - Being a newbie yet as far as posting to this site, I'm still trying to catch up on a lot of interesting comments. I enjoy reading almost all the posts and like to hear how others are doing and how they play all the various games at the casinos, etc. etc... I told myself that I was going to stay out of replying to the forum here lol, anyway so much for that.. Now you got my curiosity up, do you also play a 4 or 5 level progression? Or do you stick with one or two denominations.

[shadowman]

I play a single denomination. The highest that's available for the game I am playing. A progression would reduce my average bet and, hence, my expected winnings. A progression generally forces a player to either play above or below (or both) their natural comfort zone. Being a dollar player if I hit a RF playing at the .25 denomination it would be a disappointment. In addition, playing at the $5 level would also be uncomfortable if I was losing quickly.  Like anything else I would probably adapt over time but since it provides no monetary benefit I have no motivation to do it. I have no problem with anyone else doing it as long as they're comfortable and they don't expect it to change the long term results. Different strokes for different folks.

[mdmick67]

[QUOTE=mdmick67] [QUOTE=damule] [QUOTE=mdmick67] I might suggest to you that you check out this website *******.com

 
LOL, I was waiting for this. We have a term for these folks: "reflections."[/QUOTE] I think that was uncalled for bud!! You sound like a disbeliever to me.. If I took your comment wrong then I apologize.. Hey there is a PM on here also.[/QUOTE]

 
Um, bud...I know all about private messenger on this site. However, I have no interest in having a private or public dispute about being a non-believer in a now defunct website of a snake-oil salesman. Keep reading his archived site, keep playing his strategies and before you know it you'll be losing even more money than Shadowman suggested.
 
You didn't take it wrong, you sound like a refection of Mr Falala himself. If you're not an RS troll, I take it back. If you are, the tag sticks!
 
BTW, if I sound somewhat offensive to you, that's because I am. Whenever it comes to a supporter of that vile, disgusting creature Mr Falala I kind of get this way. If you have no clue what I'm writing about, do some research about the person you're formulating your strategies after and you'll understand more as to why I'm attacking you.[/QUOTE]

Mule, seems to fit you real well!!.. I don't take to kindly to your disgusting comments. If you want to start something with this old man just keep up your BS. I didn't join this site and ask for any of your verbal abuse... As to Mr. Falala, yes I play a version of one of his strategies and I have been for about 2 1/2 years with excellent success. I have also met the man and played along side him... Snake-oil salesman? He doesn't sell a thing unless you mean some of his books which I still don't own and probably never will.

He must have pissed you off real bad, or maybe you are thin skinned and just won't admit to the fact there just might be another way to play the game and win.

Last comment - I'm not one of his trolls!! Go out and get a life bud.

[damule]

mdmick or is it mdick?

 
Do yourself a favor and do some research about your new best friend, RS, before you start defending how great of a person he is. The guy is a vile creep. We had a forum member on here pass away last year and he celebrated his death by writing a disturbing column. If you want to fashion your game after his, go ahead, I don't care! But you're not going to find too many friends on this site by sharing what you learned from Mr Falala or by trying to convince anyone that these strategies are successful. We've had plenty of history here with that already and it always ends with the new, RS reflection (that would be you) getting banned from the forum.

[bubbagene]

 In referance to VP machines being hot and cold. I do believe in a sence that they do and here is why.
 
   The RNG is constantly shuffling the deck and the top 10 cards is all that counts for the player. So at times it would make since that the top ten cards would be cards that benifit the player.
  For example high cards 3 of a king being located at the top of the deck. This can last for a while then turn cold being just mixed garbage.
 
  I agree that players timing is inportant but when you are on a machine that is in a cycle were most of the high cards and trips are at the top it seems timing is less inportant because of this cycle. I hope this makes some sence.

[damule]

 In referance to VP machines being hot and cold. I do believe in a sence that they do and here is why.
 
   The RNG is constantly shuffling the deck and the top 10 cards is all that counts for the player. So at times it would make since that the top ten cards would be cards that benifit the player.
  For example high cards 3 of a king being located at the top of the deck. This can last for a while then turn cold being just mixed garbage.
 
  I agree that players timing is inportant but when you are on a machine that is in a cycle were most of the high cards and trips are at the top it seems timing is less inportant because of this cycle. I hope this makes some sence.

 
bubba,
 
After you hit the deal button the remaining 47 cards are still being shuffled by the RNG. So the theory about the top ten cards goes out the window. Also the cards at the top of the deck being up there for awhile doesn't fly because the RNG shuffles so fast that thousands of results per second occur.
 
There are no hot and cold video poker machines, only hot and cold players!

[shadowman]

I did a timing test once. I ran an RNG algorithm I downloaded on my 1.6 Ghz processor. I counted the number of times I could run through it and it came out to about 1 million in a single second. Last time I checked I think they were running 400 Mhz processors in VP games which is about 1/4 the speed. This would mean about a quarter million different hands are available every second. What this means is a machine could run through literally hundreds of hot/cold streaks in every second. Since players take anywhere from 2-10 seconds to play one hand, I doubt the machine itself can be held responsible for any good or bad streaks.

[bubbagene]

[QUOTE=bubbagene] In referance to VP machines being hot and cold. I do believe in a sence that they do and here is why.
 
   The RNG is constantly shuffling the deck and the top 10 cards is all that counts for the player. So at times it would make since that the top ten cards would be cards that benifit the player.
  For example high cards 3 of a king being located at the top of the deck. This can last for a while then turn cold being just mixed garbage.
 
  I agree that players timing is inportant but when you are on a machine that is in a cycle were most of the high cards and trips are at the top it seems timing is less inportant because of this cycle. I hope this makes some sence.

 
bubba,
 
After you hit the deal button the remaining 47 cards are still being shuffled by the RNG. So the theory about the top ten cards goes out the window. Also the cards at the top of the deck being up there for awhile doesn't fly because the RNG shuffles so fast that thousands of results per second occur.
 
There are no hot and cold video poker machines, only hot and cold players![/QUOTE]



  Thanks not what I have been told. Anyway I thought after you hit the deal button the shuffling stops for all the cards. The books that I have read stated this.

[bubbagene]

Power profits from video poker by Victor H royer,he explains the RNG on page 28 Here is a quick summery.
 
  Modern machines have faster processors and can therefore,simple deal sequentially.Seqential deal means that once the machine stops shuffling the deck,the order of the cards is set in stone.
   you will first see the 5 cards on the initial deal,and after you have selected which cards you will keep and which you will throw away,the machine will then deal you thr replacement cards off the top of the deck,in the same sequence as if it had already selected the 5 parallel replacements.
  regardless of which cards the playerholds and which he throws away,the second set of 5 cards is predetermined at the instant the first coin is inserted.
 
   So no the second set of cards that you would draw from are not continuely shuffling.
 
  SO my 10 card theory is still valid. 

[onemoretry]

Power profits from video poker by Victor H royer,he explains the RNG on page 28 Here is a quick summery.
 
 
I believe the information in the above mentioned book is outdated.