Nightmare Strategy!

[BillyJoe]

Talk about topics getting off point. Frank, what the heck does your love-life (or lack there of) have to do with Video Poker?

[Frank Kneeland]

Talk about topics getting off point. Frank, what the heck does your love-life (or lack there of) have to do with Video Poker? Ahh. I'm glad (sorry) you asked. My career as a professional progressive player is directly responsible for my current situation. In almost any other profession I'd be considered a decent catch. As a professional gambler no girl that I'd want to date, would want to date me. The lifestyle is very disruptive, and makes a normal schedule nearly impossible.When I have switched professions over the years I have found myself almost instantly in relationships. When I have switched back to pro VP, the droughts of singleness have returned. Pretty clear it's the job that's causing the issue. Of course my personal experience could be biased (correlation does not imply causation). Also, keep in mind this includes when I was paid a yearly salary for running the team, and wasn't really "gambling" with my own money. I do not include my significant others in the day to day of the biz, but that doesn't seem to matter. The job is simply not respected by the types of women that interest me. They simply wouldn't want to marry someone that's wasting their life playing "games" for money, even if the income was good.And then there's the VP pros I know. Of the five I partner with, only one has a wife. The other four have been without companionship for a decade or more and are on track to die single.You said, "Off topic". I can scarcely think of anything more on topic to VP than the kind of life one could expect making VP their life.Am I wrong?I also think it would be disingenuous to talk about pro VP players without mentioning the downsides. Everyone was so focused on whether or not you could make money playing VP they weren't talking about the other issues.1- Can you make money, 2- have a life, 3- and be happy playing professional video poker???The answer may still be yes, but using Bayesian logic, you'll find less in all three categories than any one, or combination of two out of the three.~FKP.S. Yes I know most people on this forum aren't full time professionals and don't want to be. This post is not advice! I'm just sharing stories from the other side.

[backsider]

I have watched top notch players playing two machines and they do not make many errors. There are always a few people that can't accept this.
 
There are those who say "can't" and there are those who go ahead and " just do it".
 Some of us yes dont believe this because ive never seen it proven, and who can believe others who claim it can be done because theyve "watched" when they arent able to do it themselves? A little odd dont you think? People who cant play that fast but can keep up with others pushing buttons and can differentiate between every hold correct or not? Hogwash!

[shadowman]

[QUOTE=shadowman]I have watched top notch players playing two machines and they do not make many errors. There are always a few people that can't accept this.
 
There are those who say "can't" and there are those who go ahead and " just do it".
 
Some of us yes dont believe this because ive never seen it proven, and who can believe others who claim it can be done because theyve "watched" when they arent able to do it themselves? A little odd dont you think? People who cant play that fast but can keep up with others pushing buttons and can differentiate between every hold correct or not?
 
Hogwash![/QUOTE]


 
Like I said, there are always some that will say it can't be done. Generally, this group has never even tried ...
 
You do realize that all you have to do is watch one machine to know whether the player is making errors. If they aren't making any errors on the one machine then it's pretty likely to hold true on both.
 
Besides, playing two machines is not really that difficult. I've done it many times but I don't enjoy it that much. I'd do it occasionally after hand pays. I'd move over to the next machine and when I got paid I play both for awhile. It's also handy on coin machines (yes, some still do exist) while the one machine is spitting out coins.

[backsider]

Like I said, there are always some that will say it can't be done. Generally, this group has never even tried ...
 
You do realize that all you have to do is watch one machine to know whether the player is making errors. If they aren't making any errors on the one machine then it's pretty likely to hold true on both.
 
Besides, playing two machines is not really that difficult. I've done it many times but I don't enjoy it that much. I'd do it occasionally after hand pays. I'd move over to the next machine and when I got paid I play both for awhile. It's also handy on coin machines (yes, some still do exist) while the one machine is spitting out coins. Ill stick with hogwash. Ive tried it and it not only isnt natural, you have no idea at all how your doing. I also realize that you made up how watching 50% of the hands played gives any indication on how the error rate is overall. Who watches someone else long enough anyway? That argument gets weaker by the minute.

[Frank Kneeland]

You'd think the topic at hand was the meaning of life, the true nature of love, or some other ephemeral conundrum, so ineffable as to defy quantification and description. This is an easily observable phenomenon that needs not remain relegated to the Twilight Zone or condemned to a filling cabinet deep within the X-files.These fast two machine players are a bit reclusive and shy, but I have at least two on speed dial. Next time backsider
or someone else comes to town that would like to see them in action, drop me an email and I'll set it up. I'll even toss in a free lunch after the demo.Usually, I encourage debate and discussion, but this point is so easily proven, I see no reason why people should quibble over it, when ten minutes of their time and a pair of eyes would seem to be all that's needed to end it conclusively.For anyone wishing a demo: make sure you know 9/6 Job strategy well, and you may wish to bring a friend with similar skills, so the two of you can watch both machines at the same time. Two 1000 HPH players should be able to watch a 2000 HPH player easily, since it takes less time to see the hands when you aren't having to hold the buttons.After demo, a free buffet. Does that satisfy?~FK 

[backsider]

Oh Frank come on, Im not good enough to know any strategy well enough to verify anyone, and at least I admit it instead of first claiming to be able to watch and judge 2 players at a time because Im some smarty, then downgrading that to saying its good enough to watch one machine and times it by two when the smart factor isnt looking so good. Maybe its possible to play two machines OK but it would mean the person is a freak of some kind. Definitely not normal or natural. Fatigue has to play a part too.  Doesnt matter anyhow, you say it can be done accuratly and I dont believe it can. Not that important. Everythings been said so now we judge by that. Peace and love.  

[damule]

Oh Frank come on, Im not good enough to know any strategy well enough to verify anyone, and at least I admit it instead of first claiming to be able to watch and judge 2 players at a time because Im some smarty, then downgrading that to saying its good enough to watch one machine and times it by two when the smart factor isnt looking so good.

 
Maybe its possible to play two machines OK but it would mean the person is a freak of some kind. Definitely not normal or natural. Fatigue has to play a part too.
 
Doesnt matter anyhow, you say it can be done accuratly and I dont believe it can. Not that important. Everythings been said so now we judge by that. Peace and love.
 

 
Talking about arguements getting weaker. You showed your hand with the first sentence in this post. With each statement you write you prove your lack of knowledge and experience in video poker. Maybe you should back off on the skepticism and ignoraneous opinions in your posts and open yours eyes a little wider. You may learn something.

[Frank Kneeland]

Oh Frank come on, Im not good enough to know any strategy well enough to verify anyone, and at least I admit it instead of first claiming to be able to watch and judge 2 players at a time because Im some smarty, then downgrading that to saying its good enough to watch one machine and times it by two when the smart factor isnt looking so good. Maybe its possible to play two machines OK but it would mean the person is a freak of some kind. Definitely not normal or natural. Fatigue has to play a part too.  Doesnt matter anyhow, you say it can be done accuratly and I dont believe it can. Not that important. Everythings been said so now we judge by that. Peace and love.  Oh...well the offer will remain open. I'd be curious to see the results myself. I know 3 people that we could use as test subjects, but you'd need to find a tester, if you don't feel up to the task of grading hand accuracy at that speed.So many unresolvable issues come up on these forums, I see no reason not to put this one to bed with a simple scientific study. I got the pros, if you've got the time.~FKP.S. 2600 HPH is unsustainable and so hard on the body that anyone that makes this a goal is 1 step away from a lifetime of painful injury. I have also seen people play at this speed for at most a couple of hours. I did not watch them for accuracy for more than a few seconds and so cannot comment on their true ability.

[Frank Kneeland]

OK I've got it! I'll organize a Guinness book of world records event at M where we'll video tape all the contestants and post it.M has been looking for a way to generate publicity. This kills two birds with one stone.Working.~FK