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[rolanddude]

CD,If I play ARTT up to the $1 denomination and stay there and if you play AP at $1 all the time that means that I have bet less than you...So explain how ARTT lost that much more than AP.  You have to understand that raising the bets in ARTT is not to take you up from your "comfortable" bet,  but rather step up to your "comfortable" bet.  As long as the bets and exact hands played are the same (I don't mean the # of hands, but the exact deals and results) then the outcomes will be with less separation than you show...generally speaking.  So do your sims with AP playing at the top level of your ARTT progression throughout.  Your winnings or actual return % should be the same percentage as to amount wagered...regardless of denom...On the multi line strategy I stay at the same denom for 2000 credits each.  That is the reason Expert Play $1 without stop lost so much and Multi Line ended up winning...the dollar players results were from betting $1 for 11,424 hands.  I was betting up to 20 times less per hand for alot of those hands.  As the gaps between quality winners got wider and wider I was raising my bet in 2000 credit increments which by chance when the quality winner came I was at a higher bet.  That's a big advantage over someone who plays at the same bet level for the entire session.  ARTT is a true short term play...4 hand progression...as opposed to Multi-Line which is maybe a "Medium-Term" Strategy because it takes longer to play on average....Joe

[cddenver]

Hey guys .... this is suppose to be fun
 
For me the fun ends when dollars are involved. 
 
Some of these recent exercises have been a learning experience for me, which I found surprising since I already knew everything. 

[royal flush]

thats why playing 100% + games or close with comps and playing them within .25% gives lots of fun and plenty of comps while slot players and players of poor paytables pay dearly

[EDC1977]

EDC...yeah I guess there must be some secret organization of you "Perfect Players" out there that no one...not even the casinos...knows about.  You guys are cleaning their clocks...They will probably ban VP machines soon because you guys are too much for them to handle...



Joe


I can't or won't speak for Ted. Re-read his reply and understand why he feels that way. you too, would be a little leery. Theres no secret society or boys club I belong to. It's comical for me to read your replies to my posts. Do you comprehend what you read or let your adrenalin and aggression speak for your psyche? I hardly know most of the cats I chat with on this site and they were here long before I found this site. They are plenty versed in "AP" and "walk around the block." Again, I won't speak for anyone else but I don't go around trying to get some group of strangers to see things my way or play the methods that I do. Do you get my hint here? you're trying to show me something I'm not interested in. Play your way and win your way. If you happen to get as big as Bob Dancer, write a book and give lessons. then you and your icon can split the profits. I don't care to show how I play and don't need spreadsheets to show when I lose and win. The percentages do that already. Why can't you be content in your own little world? Florida has a few casinos, go clean them out with your "walk around the block" and show the world what your best friends system did for your bankroll. I happen to liken your hero to Bernie Madoff.

[rolanddude]

What about your hero EDC...read my post in the stories section about what Dancer and his business partner are doing this week...They're training casino managers to take more of your money...check it out for yourself...I posted the links to the UNLV announcement and the schedule of events and speakers and the topics covered.  Things like "How to consolidate VIP players' wallets"....I'm not joking...It makes me sick to think about...

[shadowman]

What about your hero EDC...read my post in the stories section about what Dancer and his business partner are doing this week...

They're training casino managers to take more of your money...
check it out for yourself...I posted the links to the UNLV announcement and the schedule of events and speakers and the topics covered.  Things like "How to consolidate VIP players' wallets"....I'm not joking...It makes me sick to think about...



 
Joe, I don't think anyone here cares what Dancer is doing. Maybe you should go run another 10**100 sessions of ARTT and let us know how it comes out (when you're all done).

[EDC1977]

Bob Dancer is not my hero. The guys a snob. He does advocate a method of play that was in place before his time though. He is considerate and tries to answer all VP related questions. Now about the casinos, they're limited BY LAW, what they can do to the machines. Anything beyond that is tampering. Many machines are serviced and supplied by subcontractors who, the house gets a percentage of. All casinos want players in their house, knowledgeable or otherwise. No players equals no profits. Dancer endorsed games always carry a good paytable. Interesting that i don't see Shadowman or new2vp promoting the way they play, only the results from which they benefit. Most here are quick to answer a VP related question but you don't see anyone giving that "play my way and win more often" spiel. You've made your sales pitch and people know your website.

[cddenver]

Most here are quick to answer a VP related question but you don't see anyone giving that "play my way and win more often" spiel. 
 
Don't forget winning more $'s as well as winning more often.  We haven't yet seen a set of session data from our friend that shows him ending up in minus territory, and I don't think that we ever will.

[EDC1977]

That isn't possible because he bets less at lower denoms when it isn't in a hot cycle. When it's through with its cold cycle, he moves up and wins more often. something to that effect anyway.

[cddenver]

That isn't possible because he bets less at lower denoms when it isn't in a hot cycle. When it's through with its cold cycle, he moves up and wins more often. something to that effect anyway.
 

We haven't heard the dreaded "p" word lately, have we? 
 
He seems to think that earlier today I was questioning the quads he hit during his 10-session test.  I wasn't.   In the tests I did I had 10-session runs that had better $'s as well as runs that were very bad.   So the real question is if the numbers that he's posted could be considered as representative of what would be seen over time, when all sessions are included.  The session runs that he's posted to date have all ended with plus dollars, when he knows that's not going to be the case.  Yet these are the ones that he's posting.  Can you say "agenda"?
 
We'll know more after he's done a session for every atom in the universe, as SM suggested.