Short term strategies, part deuce

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marie meijer
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Re: Short term strategies, part deuce

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How WAS Wolfgang Puck's Marie? Better than the Yoplait and Perrier? Yummy! When I ordered salmon, the waitress said "YOU don't want it, it's really spicy!" so I enjoyed the swordfish, instead. They charge $14 extra for tossed salad. Instead of placing a container of speciality breads on the table, they serve you ONE of your choice, off their serving plate. Dozens of bleached elk antlers are over the bar suspended from the ceiling. There are bins of cords of chopped wood about 6' high for rustic decor. It is a spacious and handsome restaurant with a well-trained wait staff. My husband liked the NY strip steak at $50.

EDC1977
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There's an "ask for only" NY steak dinner deal (if it's still there) inside the Hard Rock for $7.99. Those in the know get it. I had it last year and it was as good as I remember. 8 bucks for a steak dinner near the strip? YEP!

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Post by rolanddude »

reposted here at Webman's beckoning...Hi
All...I've been gone from the forum for a week and a half enjoying some
things in life that I took for granted before the big "C".  I'm so glad
to be cancer free now!  I will return to my business tomorrow to try to
work for a week if my strength allows...wish me luck.I
found it very humorous that my previous topic..."Scoreboard"...
degenerated into, well, an "Our Gang" style little clubhouse (point
proven) for most of the regulars here.  In addition to Spanky,
Buckwheat, Alfalfa, and Froggy there were also some recent appearances
from the world renown Psychiatrists ...Dr. New2vp and Dr. Shadowman...
who have diagnosed "RS" and others, such as myself, with "Narcisisstic
Personality Disorder"(NPD).  I'll have them know (while getting up from
admiring my stubbly head in my mirror) that I have no such thing.  Would
a narcissist come to this forum (which is filled with elitist scholars)
to present a strategy for FREE that will help others Win More or Lose Less in the "Shortrun" or the ever forgiving crutch excuse for losing... "Longrun".  I
don't care if anyone ends up listening to me or not.  I do know that
many people have and are trying the strategies that have been laid
forth here such as ARTT, RTT, and Multi-Line.  I have absolutly nothing
to do with these strategies' development.  They are all based upon a
tiered or "graduated betting" technique; Not to be confused with "Martingale" bets as there are only 4 levels in the above mentioned strategies.  ARTT
is just an acronym for "Advanced Romp Through Town" which was so named
because of the short nature of the sessions that are played.  Short
sessions presumably allow the player to leave a particular casino and
go to another one to visit or play another session and then leave and
visit another and so on...Long story short...you will have more time in
your day to do other things besides sit at a machine for hours waiting
for an "expected return" or bankroll loss.  I learned
something today that I didn't know about ARTT.  I was intrigued so much
that I spent a few hours today trying to understand the implications of
what I had found.  Before I go on, let me bring new readers up to speed
on how ARTT is played...First of all a player needs to find a
Single Line Multi-Denominational machine that has Bonus Poker and
either DDB, TBP, or SDB.  Try to find a machine with an acceptable
payline to you. (ie. 8/5 Bonus...9/6 DDB...etc).  Something that is really important...if
you normally only play quarters...your machine must have the ability to
also play .05 and .10 cents.  If you normally play dollars...it must
also have .10, .25, and .50 cents available and so on.  It is preferred
to have at least three denoms available that are below your normal
comfortable betting level. Your session bankroll will be 400
credits of your highest/normal betting level. (ie. $1= $400... .25=
$100)  You should also set a win-goal that when reached you cash out
and walk away.  This goal can be as small as you want but I don't
recommend it being any higher than 100 credits on your highest level.
(just my own opinion).Since most machines that have quarters as
the lowest denom usually have better paylines than the smaller denom
ones, I will be playing a .25, .50, $1, $2 progression in this walk
through. (and on my future trips)...Start by playing Bonus
Poker on .25... If you win the hand (JoB or higher) then play another
hand on .25... When you lose a hand go up to the .50 level and play
another hand... If you get JoB play another hand at .50, If you get 2
Pair or higher then go back to the .25 level and start again.  You are
now ahead!  If you lost the .50 hand then play the next hand at $1...
JoB repeat...2 Pair or higher go all the way back to the .25 level...
on a loss go to $2 and play a hand... JoB repeat...2 Pair or higher
takes you back to .25...This is important...
if you lose this hand look at your credits... you will be staying at
this level until you either win 10 more credits than what you presently
have or you play down through 95 credits.  The latter will leave you
with no less than 300 credits.  You now switch games to either DDB,
TBP, or SDB...whichever you prefer.  Your goal now is to get the 100
credits that you lost at Bonus Poker back.  Your stop-loss and end of
session will be if you lose 300 credits on this game...while playing
every hand at $2 a hand.  If you get your 100 credits back...then go
back to Bonus Poker and start all over at the .25 level.If you have any questions on the procedure just post your question and I'll get back to you.Now for what I accidentally discovered about ARTT today...After
playing every 100 hands on VPFW I have it set to pop up my overall
stats screen.  One of the tabs on that screen is labeled "Coins".  At
the bottom of that screen it shows the coins won or lost so far.  Well,
after my first 100 hands I checked it and it said I had won 115
credits... My actual winnings was 122 credits on $2, ... 244 credits on
$1..., and so on down to .25 doubling credit totals with each level
down.  Why are none of my betting levels even with the stats I
pondered?  I played 100 more hands...the stats showed that I was ahead
90 credits after the 200 hands, yet my credits display at the $2 level
showed that I was up 137 credits... how is this?  How am I
outperforming the won/loss totals that the stat sheet keeps up with? 
The answer was simple...VPFW only assumes that someone will sit
down and play at only one denomination level for the entire session.
(As all critics here do)  Because of the multi-level betting that ARTT
employs,  an advantage is gained in all scenarios except when a large
winner is attained on any of the three hands leading up to your normal
bet.  Here is a typical example of how ARTT "gets ahead" of the
stats...Hand #1 loses then hand #2 loses then hand #3 loses and then
hand #4 wins 3 of a kind.  In regular play you would be down 5
credits.  But in ARTT play, since the bets were graduated after each of
the three losses, you are ahead 5 credits on the $2 level and when you
go back down to the .25 level you will see that there is also an extra
$1.25 worth of credits on top of the other $10 won on the previous
hand.  The regular player, playing the same denomination, is down
(-$10) and the ARTT player is up $11.25.Once in every blue moon
you will hit a quad or higher on one of the lower levels causing the
regular player and the stats to be ahead temporarily.  I had that
happen to me today when I was dealt quad 4's at the $1 level.  After
100 hands the stats were at "won 120 coins" and I was at +63 credits
($2 level), but after 400 hands the stats showed "won 90" and I was at
+97 credits...So it does equalize and surpass the stats after many
hands.  Again, The only way to do worse than "AP"ers or the stats
is to hit a big winner on one of the three smaller bet hands in the
progression.  It doesn't happen often, but when it does...remember two
things... You still won and over more hands you will again regain the
advantage over the stat won/loss tally!I played a session tonight before this post and lost
.  But the stats showed that I lost 400 coins/credits when I actually
lost 387 credits.  I had accumulated 13 credits from the ARTT
progression before my slide downward.  So even when you lose you NEVER lose as much as regular players.  These are just the facts!Let
me make clear, even though my good friend uses "special plays" that
most here will not gamble with when he plays,  using these plays is not
necessary to acheive the credits advantage that ARTT gives you.  No
magic here... it's just how you bet!Have a good time playing...Joe 

mickey crimm
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Post by mickey crimm »

First, to paraphrase Dan Paymar "ARTT is not a system it's a tactic."  Second, many business's give away some information for free.  Sports touts do it all the time.  It's what known as a "hook."  If I wanted to I could write some giberish books on video poker, start a website to sell my books, then give away a "free system or tactic." to hook people onto my website to buy my giberish books.

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Post by oej719 »

Right on mickey. The wizard is just hoping to lure some fish with his giberish (bait). He runs what we call a soft scam. The pianoman is kinda like his pimp.

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Post by rolanddude »



what are you clowns talking about?...Try what I have stated in my post and tell me it is not true!!!I have never bought anyone's book except all the Dancer Books.   I will not buy anyone's book in the future.  I have not mentioned who came up with this system only to say my friend.You guys however flaunt his name on your every post (oej...the S  I  N  G  E  R dinger man).  You have enabled scores of people to be able to google his name and find his site.  You are the pimp-daddy.  Live with it!!!Nobody can refute what happens when playing this way.  The stats show that a player playing one denom throughout a session will always underperform in the long run and only outperform in a few rare situations in the short run compared to playing the ARTT betting strategy.  And by the way you don't have to go to anyone's web site to learn it....I have freely posted how to do it here....duh!!!  If I was in cahoots with him we sure would be pitiful businessmen for GIVING away the farm!!!  I am not contending that you will beat the casino or gain an edge over them ever. I do contend, however,  that you will win more than you would have per session or lose less than you would have per session by playing ARTT whenever you do play in any casino.  The math says so and so do I.  There is nothing  to sell, learn, or argue further about it.  No subscriptions...Gold memberships...endorsements....disclaimers...nothing!!!  Get over it you obsessive compulsory critics!!!   If you can't disprove it....Shut up!Graciously,Joe

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Post by Eduardo »

Rolanddude, do you see anyone else here selling anything either? No? Then there is nothing to argue further about it like you said.  Your claim that people will "win more than you would have per session or lose less than you would have per session " is utterly false. This has already been mathematically PROVEN. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. You have the nerve to call other people obsessive in the face of that? Very sad my friend. Nobody is listening any more.

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Post by Eduardo »

Rolanddude, I have just one question for you. If this strategy is everything you say it is, then why is it a short term strategy?
 
If it would work for everyone any time they walk into a casino, it would work for you any time too.
 
So it sounds like you have it all figured out. If it is not destined to fail greatly at some point, why not hunker down and employ it at larger denominations for a lengthy period and win back all the money you said you lost on other strategies, then win some more and get wealthy?
 
I'm not trying to sell you anything here. I don't have any books. I haven't even read a single vp book in my life. Just trying to save you some suffering, my friend.

mickey crimm
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Post by mickey crimm »

Mr. Rolandude, let me save YOU some suffering, my friend.  I am not a rookie.  I work the biggest edges in the video poker world.  Always have, always will.  It's just my style.  I' have worked  games you have never heard of.  Ever heard of Jackpot Cards, or Flush Attack, or Draw Till U Win? 
 
I'm currently working vp games that are not even listed on The Wizard of Odds site.  Have you ever had a 14.5% edge at vp?  How about a 9% edge?  How about a 7% edge? I"ve had 13 straight winning years at video poker.   And I'm in the middle of my 14th.  I'm an advantage player, and I know how to get the job done.   No one can sell snake oil to me. I'm you're anathema.  You are a disadvantage player.  You  are a real gambler, I'm not. 
 
While you have a day job and talk mumbo jumbo I'm the guy in the trenches.   I'm the guy out here doing it year in and year out, with no other income but my gambling win.    I'm a scientific player, period. 
 
The masses just don't know how advantage gambling works.  But they always have hope.  And snake oil salesmen play off the hope of the masses.  So there is a market there. 
 
I was a high school dropout.  I recently reestablished contact with an uncle of mine after 35 years.  He and his wife are PHD's.  He was the President of a 4 campus college for 25 years.  He was a General in the Air National Guard.  At his retirement as President of the college he was honored by Congress and the Georgia Legislature. 
 
When he found out I was a professional video poker player his first question to me was "how do you know when a machine is going to hit."
 
That's just how little the masses know about the subject.  It's wide open for exploitation and I believe that's just what the developer of ARTT is doing. Exploiting. 
 
I have 2 questions:
 
1.  If you have statistics proving that RNG's underperform would you post them here or publish them.   
 
2.  Clown?  Pimp Dadday?  Live with it!!!!?  Why do propoents of ARTT always resort to malignant narcissism when confronted by a different opinion?
 
 
 
 

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Post by mickey crimm »

And one more question, Mr. Rolanddude.  Is ARTT a "system" or a "tactic?"
Explain it to us like we are 3 year olds. 

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