State whether or not you have won....

[roveer]

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Daburglar:

Sorry buddy, I admit nothing. If you read my post carefully I simply say that it's a possibility. I also say that it might just be random and will go away at some point. At the current time I probably weigh either possibility as 50/50. I do not possess enough information to make an informed opinion yet I believe I have enough education on the matter to make give possible reasons for what we see happening. I'm simply not smart enough to say with any certainty that manipulation (of any sort) is actually happening.

I will say one thing. My current status of "losing" is basically the casinos money right now as I'm really only playing their comps at this point. I've limited my own money to 50 dollars per visit. They are still giving me 2,200/month to play with. When that will run out who knows. I expected FEB, but it still came. I expected March, but it still came. They give, I play. I'm sure their profit center of 50/week from Roveer won't support the 2.2k/month comp for very long. In addition I've received over a thousand dollars in gift cards, TV's and other crap gadgets since January so they are still being pretty generous. That soon will end.

Everyone is of their own free mind to think what they want. We all process the information differently. At this point I can't make a definitive decision that the possibilities that I put forth are in fact happening. I guess we are just going to have to join the ranks of UFO's. So much information, yet still no definitive proof.

RoveerOk well no need to be sorry....but you did "word" your dissertation in such a way and to such a degree (you clearly say it is 50/50) that it is easy to conclude that you believe something is amiss AT LEAST in the SHORT run, and since most of us only play a few hours at a time, the proverbial "Short Run/term" is the exact definition of how we are playing!  Therefore, WHATEVER is going on is obviously impacting us and our results directly.....I'm not going to hold you to anything, and you are correct, we all have a right to think and conclude what we want......it is just that, in my case, it seems that when I exercise this right it pisses certain posters named Tedlark off! And I assumed that when you said "your miserable play as of late" you were conceding that you are in fact, losing in terms of overall play results......you only mentioned your 200 monthly free play allowance in your followup........so that was just a misunderstanding.
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Daburglar, You've done a lot of research in this area and you have put forth several good arguments based on the information you have collected. As I have said in the past, I appreciate and respect the work you have done and shared concerning VP. Props to you my friend.

I'm the kinda guy that likes to get answers to things that bother me. What I have come to learn in my years is that sometimes we want an answer so badly that we let it direct us towards an answer that might be right but might very well be dead wrong. Don't get me wrong, I'm not pointing at anyone on these forums, I'm just saying that I am cognizant of my tendency to allow this thinking into my decision making. It takes a lot of restraint to resist this urge. I'm trying very hard not to believe something just because I can line up a reasonable argument for it. Especially since I can line up several other just as reasonable arguments in opposition. That alone strikes enough doubt in my mind that will not allow me to conclude my thinking on this subject. We simply just do not know. I'm a very compartmentalized thinker and try like hell not to allow emotion and other distractions from coloring my thinking. With that being said. Why do I like playing VP so much, especially since we all know that it pretty much is a losing proposition? (especially the games I play). I haven't figured out that part of my brain yet. I think I'd need a leather couch and 250/hour to get those answers.

Am I really authoring "dissertations". I was thinking more along the lines of "Manefesto" DOH!!!

Roveer

[DaBurglar]

If I could do it all over again, I would re-submit this thread but with the following change(s):title:   State whether or not you have seen FEWER Handpays/w-2s in the last 4-5 years (since 2010) Versus the previous 5 years or any 5 year period prior to 2010.........or something like that......this is a much more clear and less "foggy" topic and measure.But I am pretty certain that we all agree that most players (here, and elsewhere) are seeing fewer handpays/w-2s.......which then begs the question.....What's going on?And then, we can bounce around all the theories and scenarios of ENG speed, seedings/re-seedings   etc etc.

[EDC1977]

Much like before DB, threads tend to stray off topic or discussion will follow in a manner not necessarily what you may have originally asked. Welcome to VP forum at its finest. I've commented a few times off topic so I am guilty as sin.

[Tedlark]

Roveer wrote:  "What I have come to learn in my years is that sometimes we want an answer so badly that we let it direct us towards an answer that might be right but might very well be dead wrong."   The above reminded me of a "Spockism" that goes:   "In critical moments men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see." R.I.P. Leonard Nemoy

[DaBurglar]

Much like before DB, threads tend to stray off topic or discussion will follow in a manner not necessarily what you may have originally asked. Welcome to VP forum at its finest. I've commented a few times off topic so I am guilty as sin.Oh i know....I have said this many times as well, whenever i bring up the topic of "Hijacking" threads......Threads are essentially ONLINE  "CONVERSATIONS" that take place in Text, and much like real life conversations, they ebb and flow in various directions and over and under topics.......we all should expect it.I simply intended for this thread to TRY and stay relatively "on point" by asking in the initial post to keep it within the scope of the original post.......No big deal either way, what I wanted to accomplish happened!

[FAA]

My current status of "losing" is basically the casinos money right now
as I'm really only playing their comps at this point. I've limited my
own money to 50 dollars per visit. They are still giving me 2,200/month. They give, I play.
I'm sure their profit center of 50/week from Roveer won't support the
2.2k/month comp for very long.Roveer, $50/week max loss is quite intelligent and responsible. I commend you for the discipline. Of course, you must have had some solid ADT to even get to the $2,200 the casino gifts you. $50/week is something that I will seriously follow!