Is Video Poker a Game of Skill or Luck

[brmcc74]

I stand by my first post on this topic. Reading Comments from members are only adding ammunition to what I've already stated and know.

[BobDancer]

i/m/o, the percentage of people who play VP and can make a living doing so, is about the same percentage odds of Ted and DB becoming best buddies.Any estimates of making a living playing vp begs a lot of definitions. There are a number of senior citizens in Vegas making $6 an hour playing FPDW and that's their only source of income other than Social Security. I wouldn't choose to live like that, but many do.Of the people committed to winning and treat the game like a full time job --- probably 20% or so of them are successful. For part time players who haven't studied the game very seriously, that likelihood of them having success sufficient to live on is pretty small.For the record, I've never sold booze of any sort out the back of my car. I have, however, sold show tickets and hotel rooms and automobiles on occasion to people I know --- at a discount. This has never been a major source of income for me. It has added only about $200K-$300K total over the past 20+ years.

[BobDancer]

I stand by my first post on this topic. Reading Comments from members are only adding ammunition to what I've already stated and know. And your first post (essentially saying it's impossible to be a winner at vp and anyone who says otherwise is a liar) was ignorant. You have your firm beliefs and nobody is going to change them. fine. be like that.Whether you understand how it's done or not, numerous players win at all sorts of gambling --- including video poker.

[DaBurglar]

Notes1 deserves a lot of credit for presenting the info he did in the manner he did.......I previously tried to do this. drawing attention to things like "free valet parking", "free t-shirts & key chians and trinkets" etc being lumped in the collective  "WINNINGS / PROFIT" basket. but he did it with much more clarity and a lot less snottiness than I did.....I do believe Mr B. Dancer in that certainly, SOME players win at VP.......I must confess, his statement about "Senior Citizens" making 6 bucks an hour in Vegas playing Full Deuces to supplement their Social Security threw me for a loop.......WHO exactly are these people and HOW many are there????   I assume they must be spread out all over Nevada, not just Vegas (Reno might make more sense for this lifestyle given the LOWER cost of living and mild climate).....I still have a hard time believing that there can be more than a handful of actual senior citizens doing this, and it must have been a purely accidental endeavor (i.e.  No once consciously decides upon retiring to risk their meager SSI funds trying to add 6 bucks an hour on a casino game......seems kinda desperate to me.....)There is a lot of SUBJECTIVITY to what Bob presents and talks about, when talking about Lifestyle, and what constitutes a "living" and what exactly qualifies as "WINNINGs  or PROFIT" when adding up the totals year end.......sure, a garage full of give away items is worth something.   when I retired from my Marketing career and started my own business on ebay q0 years ago, I was blown away by all the total CRAP available for sale.   But that's the beauty of the internet and WORLD WIDE WEB.     Example:  A "pro gambler" in vegas who gets half a dozen Windbreakers with LOGO from the ORLEANS Casino during the course of a year, can put them on EBAY.....someone on the other side of the world, in Malaysia. who might want to look "Cool" on his next trip to MACAU, decides that the Orleans Windbreaker with its Alligator is just such a thing that would look good in Macau's MONSTROUS casinos, so he buys one (or three) from the Pro gambler......money is made on an otherwise boring and blahzay giveaway.       But it is still work on the part of the Pro gambler....he must maintain and process his EBAY account with the SAME conscientiousness he attacks gambling with an edge......no funny biz or shenanigans will do......he must package and ship the jackets (or whatever else he is selling) to his ebay customers.     In otherwords, given that a LOT of gamblers I know (espeically the ones who like to call themselves PRO) tend to be LAZY and indolent, this might not be attainable.Bob Dancer is a success because he is a grinder (i.e.  NOT LAZY,)

[DaBurglar]

I just remembered Athony Curtis demonstrating how to be a profitable gambler once on a TV show......he advocated taking advantage of the many Las Vegas FOOD deals that are out there.....my problem was he wanted me to eat the 99 cent 1 pound, 12 inch HUGE hot dog that was available at the NOW-DEFUNCT-and-gone WESTWARD HO..... I said no thanks because in fact (no, POINT OF FACT) I once saw the nutrirional breakdown of that old Westward Ho Mega hot dog, and it had literally 3 days worth of Sodium in it, not to mention almost a full days worth of Fat.     To me, that is not GAMBLING with an EDGE or even being "value oriented"....more like LIVING on the EDGE via risky diet.ALSO:     QUestion for BOB (serious question)WHAT ARE THE LEGAL ISSUES FOR SELLING PROPRIETARY MERCHANDISE ON EBAY THAT HAS THE LOGO of specific Vegas Casinos?    In other words, i would think that Steve Wynn might have a problem if the nice jackets, or shirts, or even something simple like HATS, that bear his name and his company LOGO were to appear on EBAY with regularity.....same goes for MGM MIRAGE......or CAESARS.....or ANY OF THEMBe careful kids......

[Tedlark]

Gee DaBurglar, surprise surprise. You did an almost 180 when comparing these two above posts to you post of 3:48pm January 26, 2016 in which you ran Bob Dancer into the ground. Again.

I just read the rant about selling logo'd casino merchandise on Ebay. DaBurglar you are kidding right? A logo'd jacket or polo shirt with a casino name on it is not proprietary.

[DaBurglar]

Gee DaBurglar, surprise surprise. You did an almost 180 when comparing these two above posts to you post of 3:48pm January 26, 2016 in which you ran Bob Dancer into the ground. Again.

I just read the rant about selling logo'd casino merchandise on Ebay. DaBurglar you are kidding right? A logo'd jacket or polo shirt with a casino name on it is not proprietary. Surprise Surprise, here is YOu doing absolutely.....ABSOLUTELY nothing on this forum except pissing on another one of my posts that, YET AGAIN, had NOTHING at all to do with  YOU.     Pathetic (and now you are getting desperate, far more than ever before).....trying to further incite BOB against me (clue:  He already hates my guts, but not quite as much as you do.)Logos are usually protected by copyright (or registered as a trademark).....you cannot just usurp another company's Logo and plop it online and peddle merchandise bearing it (not talking about a one off sale either but repetitious sales, like a distirbutor)......I am sure there are myriad if ands or buts in this area, but I simply wanted to say people should at least exercise caution....the fact that you jumped all over this once again PROVES my assertion that time is heavy on your hands.   It probably is a VERY small issue, but so what.......you just HAVE to dig in.Its' really not possible for you to just IGNORE my posts huh?  You really cant do it, huh?    I would think by now you'd be totally sick of this......I'm never going to do what you want, so give it up.

[Tedlark]

I was hoping you'd come over and shovel my driveway, I give up that hope.

Do you think that when a person donates an article of clothing to The Salvation Army for resale in one of their stores, The Salvation Army takes the time to remove logo's from the clothing?

As far as logos being registered as a trademark that is for REPRODUCING or USING the logo without the owner's permission. When you sell a New England Patriots team jacket on Ebay do you take the logo off? It is a small issue and you were the one to bring it up.

[notes1]

i have to agree with DB on a couple of points he made. previously dancer stated that 10-15% of all VP players make money or break even. i requested a number of times how he came up with that number, but no response. now, he states that those who put in the effort at VP, make a living doing so. again, no data to back up such a claim. yet, these same 'math' folks, always demand proof when some states something they do not agree with. as far as ' a number of senior citizens making $6/hour', i could just as easily make the claim that many seniors have moved to nevada to be closer to better games and gone belly up. i know i can back up that claim with numerous news articles.   i have no legal background, but i would imagine that selling a 'comped' hotel room, would not go over well with the casinos.   

[brmcc74]

i have to agree with DB on a couple of points he made. previously dancer stated that 10-15% of all VP players make money or break even. i requested a number of times how he came up with that number, but no response. now, he states that those who put in the effort at VP, make a living doing so. again, no data to back up such a claim. yet, these same 'math' folks, always demand proof when some states something they do not agree with. as far as ' a number of senior citizens making $6/hour', i could just as easily make the claim that many seniors have moved to nevada to be closer to better games and gone belly up. i know i can back up that claim with numerous news articles.   i have no legal background, but i would imagine that selling a 'comped' hotel room, would not go over well with the casinos.    it's pointless   I've tried to make sense of it for years and it comes back to the same thing. I'm not naming any names and I also don't make statements such as, "certain people should stop posting". Just read between the lines. It's all there. If you don't quite believe it, in time check your pocket book. It don't lie.