Royalless streak continues

[olds442jetaway]

Olds it sounds as if you've been playing 'craps' now for about 494,000 hands. Hit a darn royal soon, will you.
     Maybe I will just finish the Sci-Fi novel I started writing when I was 10 years old. The trouble is everything I had in the book is not fiction anymore. That was back in 1958 with black and white TV, a slide rule instead of a calculator, and the Russians had just launched Sputnik!!

[BillyJoe]

[QUOTE=Tedlark] Olds it sounds as if you've been playing 'craps' now for about 494,000 hands. Hit a darn royal soon, will you.
     I hope this will not be the story in the Sunday paper. Last chance will be this Friday night and Sat AM.
     FLASH......Local man wins Royalless contest...A local man won a nationwide contest by playing 500k video poker hands and not hitting a Royal Flush. The sponsoring casino Mohegan Sun in Uncasville, Ct. was thrilled to have the action and offered incentives like free rooms and food to keep the players coming. Their reward was untold sums of cash from the players and was rumored to be quite substantial. Thousands of players competed nationwide in various casinos. The grand prize is a photo of a naked man standing in a barrel framed in cheap hard plastic with Sucker! spelled out in gold lettering across the front of the barrel. Second prize went to a player nicknamed SPX who was awarded the same photo without the frame. Both the winner and runner up declined to be interviewed and were last seen heading to their local taverns for a cold one. [/QUOTE]
To say this has gotten into your head, olds, is an understatement.
 
I remember telling someone once that, since VP is a game of 'independent trials', it is possible to go your entire life without ever receiving a Royal Flush.
 
I never thought, though, that I would actually hear about such a person... until now.

[olds442jetaway]

This is true and unless he has just hit, SPX is not far behind me. I hope for his sake he has.

[olds442jetaway]

Wow!! Coincidence? If it is this is a big one. Or do the casinos have staff that regularly read this forum. Received a call around lunchtime today from a host who i don't know at Mohegan Sun. She introduced herself and was very pleasant, but proceeded to go into a pep talk session. Reminding me that there are so many types of slots and table games available at Mohegan other than video poker. She also proceeded to tell me about all of the promotional offerings their new program has and told me I should take advantage of them and to be happy and enjoy your experience at Mhoegan Sun. Obviously, she didn't know or even check that I am already taking advantage of the promotions they offer. I told her that I had no problem with the employees at Mohegan who I think are super for the most part, my problem with the casino is the poor long term returns on video poker compared to statistical averages. She then said well I don't know anything about video poker or how it works and went back into the pep talk rally mode mentioning shows, cabaret comedy offers etc. I proceeded to mention that the shows I like I have not been offered and she said I should try some of the others. Told her at this point I am going to give the competition ( Foxwoods ) a try for a month or so and if I find no change in video poker returns there, I will decide myself what to do. Then it was back into pep rally mode rattling off things I already know about that they offer. She then said well, you know this is a business and we are here to make money, but we just want you to enjoy your experience. I kept my cool and didn't say what I really wanted to or was thinking. I asked her if a comp room would be available for this Friday. She took about 10 seconds to check and said no not at this time. Mohegan Sun rarely if ever calls me. The call was lengthy and seemed like a script, but ended pleasantly. Really, really, weird if you ask me.

[BillyJoe]

It's an omen, Olds. A Royal awaits you. All you have to do is show up.

[roveer]

This is truly amazing.  Both you guys are reaching the statistical limit for Dealt Royal's at this point.  I however seem to be on the other side.  I'm seeing a Royal just about every trip.  Some trips are producing 2 royals.  I play only DDB and I'm playing STP.  Granted I'm playing 3,5 & 10 hands at a time. With my "gapping technique" I usually average 7-10 hands per minute so I'll call that 8 hands.  Sometimes I select faster so I bumped it up a bit.  Also, when playing STP if you get a multiplier you have to wait till it does it's little dance.  So 8 hands/minute*60 minutes in an hour is 480 hands an hour * 8 hours is 3,840 hands played.  Now if you decide to multiply that by my multihand play that's "weighted" (I play very little 3 hand and mostly 10 hand) probably 8 handed.  Multiply it out and I'm plyaing 30,720 hands in an 8 hour period. I will say that my "every trip" royal thing was not indicitive on most of my visits but seems to be playing this way on the new IGT machines.  What is also strange is that I have not had any handpays over 10k since I started playing the new machines.  Previously I had a few 12k (A's with kickers), 10k multiplier hits 20k multiplier hits and my biggest was a 8x royal for 32k.  I did recently hit 10k on UX though. So it does seem strange that you guys are on such a streak and my streak is completly opposite.

[royal flush]

love that stp dance love 10x

[olds442jetaway]

It's an omen, Olds. A Royal awaits you. All you have to do is show up.      
      

[olds442jetaway]

I have also tried spin poker at Mohegan Sun where up to 20 hands at a time can be played. I am not even counting those results in my nearly 500k hands of misses. If I did count the misses on all 20 lines, the total hands played would be between 700k and 800k without a Royal. This weekend I plan to split my time between Mohegan Sun and Foxwoods. I don't really like the atmosphere at Foxwoods, but they have a few 100 play draw poker machines that begin with a 5 cent denomination. Multiple games are in there too. The return odds are not good and average 95-97% for the various games, but at this point the 99% machines at Mohegan have turned into 95% machines for me so what the heck. I'll give it a try. If I use the Martingale clone method on the 100 play, I will have tremendous flexability on how many hands to play, what denomination, and what games. Will report back how it goes. I hope Billy's ESP is right this time.

[roveer]

Wow!! Coincidence? If it is this is a big one. Or do the casinos have staff that regularly read this forum. Received a call around lunchtime today from a host who i don't know at Mohegan Sun. She introduced herself and was very pleasant, but proceeded to go into a pep talk session. Reminding me that there are so many types of slots and table games available at Mohegan other than video poker. She also proceeded to tell me about all of the promotional offerings their new program has and told me I should take advantage of them and to be happy and enjoy your experience at Mhoegan Sun. Obviously, she didn't know or even check that I am already taking advantage of the promotions they offer. I told her that I had no problem with the employees at Mohegan who I think are super for the most part, my problem with the casino is the poor long term returns on video poker compared to statistical averages. She then said well I don't know anything about video poker or how it works and went back into the pep talk rally mode mentioning shows, cabaret comedy offers etc. I proceeded to mention that the shows I like I have not been offered and she said I should try some of the others. Told her at this point I am going to give the competition ( Foxwoods ) a try for a month or so and if I find no change in video poker returns there, I will decide myself what to do. Then it was back into pep rally mode rattling off things I already know about that they offer. She then said well, you know this is a business and we are here to make money, but we just want you to enjoy your experience. I kept my cool and didn't say what I really wanted to or was thinking. I asked her if a comp room would be available for this Friday. She took about 10 seconds to check and said no not at this time. Mohegan Sun rarely if ever calls me. The call was lengthy and seemed like a script, but ended pleasantly. Really, really, weird if you ask me.
 I wouldn't read into it.  Sounds as if she was just as uninformed and unprepared as most of the hosts we have talked about in other posts.  Remember, she's got to make numbers and was likely cold calling off of a list.  No idea on your past play or participation.  Typical.  Also, she probably doesn't know a thing about their "product", just "get em in the door".  Remember we are mostly technical gamblers.  I happened to mention a statistic to one of my attendants (all of which I really like), and he quickly replied "oh, a numbers guy"  It sounds really strange to think that all these people are working in jobs where they really don't know anything about their product.  A long while back I worked in IT but knew tons of stuff about the business, their products, their operations even their governmental requirements.  Some people are different.  I worked with a lot of people who didn't (and didn't want to), know anything more than the job they were performeing. I think we seek out knowledge to make it part of our overall advantage in gambling.  We've talked lots on this forum about trying to narrow the difference between the casino's advantage and our disadvantage.  Most people like the flashing lights and wonderful sounds.  We are just a different breed. I keep reading this post because I expect at some point (hopefully soon) that I'll come back and find a "Finally hit a royal post".  I'm going to continue to follow it until it happens. I think back about a zillion pages both you guys posted the types of games you play.  I'm wondering if it has to do with the type?  I've never hit a royal playing deuces and now have a ton of them playing DDB.  I also can't bring myself to play single line VP.  It's so ingrained in my head that nothing ever happens in single line.  Now I know that's wrong but that's how I see it.  I only play single line (with one or two expections),  when I'm sitting at the bar playing the bartops.  That's my "warm up", but I've even moved that over to multi-hand nickel play. Also, are you both fast players?  I ask because I've taken to gapping my play.  I have another player who plays the same games as I do.  He and his wife are usually at the casino on Fri-Sat night but I like to come Sun-Mon so I only see him when I break my tradition.  I call him "slappy"  he's going at supersonic speeds.  Never seems to get a hand pay and infrequently gets good hands.  I on the other part feel like I have to gap my play, deal, card select and draw based on my knowledge of the RNG and number selection of IGT machines.  I try to introduce my own "kaos" theory into the RNG to alter the typical outcome of crappy hands.  I find when I play at typical fast methodical speed for long periods I get absolute crap for hands and minimul multipliers (STP).  I've also observed that something like a break in play to receive a drink, talk to another player, check my players score seems to have a real outcome of getting a good hand (not always the next hand, but at some time in the near future).  I see a lot of people pulling their cards during play thinking they will confuse the players card system and give them a different outcome.  I feel I see this for a reason.  I don't believe for a second (again based on my knowledge of the players systems that I have personall plumbed) that it has anything to do with computers watching our play, but rather introducing a gap in play and changing the outcome.  To these people who do this, the don't know the difference, they think the act of pulling the card is making a difference, to me I know it's a timing thing.  But either way it has some effect.  That's why they do it.  I introduce gaps in my play at different levels and do seem to have more intresting outcomes.  I've taken my 3 years of hard core STP play to develop this and to me it does seem to work.  I don't have the bankroll to play at supersonic speeds nor do I like to.  The theoretical computation says I should be bringing a 50k bankroll to play the games, denominations and amount of time I play.  I typically bring 2-4k.  Something is happening.   Maybe on a subsequent trip you might try gapping and see if it has any effect.  Worth a try. Also.  Now this probably has nothing to do with anything, but am now finding that I warm-up before I move to my high limit play.  I never seem to pull handpays in my first 30+ minutes of play.  With independent trails it should not make a bit of difference but it seems like I have to wade through an hour or so of lackluster play before anything happens.  I'm now warming up on nickels and then move over to my other machines.  I'm fully aware that you can't expect to play on one machine and then expect results on another machine.  That's crazy.  If you ask me, I'd honestly tell you it has something to do with getting the timing working.  I tend to start out playing really fast and before I know it I'm down a whole bunch.  So for me it's a bankroll preservation and preparation/conditioning thing.  In addition, it's a nice little mental victory for me to think that I'm actually having a real level of control over the success of my play.  Again, probably has absolutly nothing to do with anything, but It's the evolution of my play and "seems" to be producing results.  Of course it's always possible the next time I step into a casino I'll start a multi-month cold streak which will smash this theory to bits.  I'm always watching out for this. Good luck to you. Roveer