Where's the Super Times Pay?

[CuddlyLion]

Just played the 25 DP Super X Pay and on the 47th (out of 50) hand, I FINALLY got a STP multiplier to come up. But that was it. ONE time in 50 hands, and this is by no means the first time this has happened. In checking the "help" screen, I discover that the STP only comes up about 6% of the time. Why are there so few opportunities to actually win a big hand on this game? This is definitely deceptive, lauding a game has a "Super" multiplier when it should be called the "Rarely, if ever, comes up" multiplier.

And why is it that the 2x and 3x multipliers come up a little more than 2/3 of the time? Not at all "super" in my opinion.

[Jstark]

Naturally, you probably forget the times when the multiplier pops up 3 or 4 times in a row.

[CuddlyLion]

To Jstark: No, I don't, because I keep track, and that has never happened to me. Two in a row, yes, but never three or four, and the back-to-backs happen VERY rarely--fewer than one in three sessions.

I congratulate you if you have been so fortunate as to have had them come up with such frequency as to seem commonplace. But I seriously doubt that has been the actual case. Even if you have had 3 or 4 in a row, in a 50-deal session, that would only be 6% or 8% of the time, and if you were blessed with any more STPs in that session, that single session was more of an exception than the rule.

[Jstark]

Certainly I've had it happen. Is it rare? Absolutely. But I also remember a session playing 100 play STP and went 63 hands before getting a multiplier. Chalk it up to do-do happens.

[CuddlyLion]

Just played 2 50-deal sessions in a daily contest on 8/21/24. Care to guess the number of times the Super Times Pay multiplier came up? ONCE!!

How is this legal? These machines are in casinos, fleecing hundreds of thousands of players by tricking them into thinking they have an honest shot at up to a 10x multiplier when the actual fact is that they are being LIED TO! Supposedly, the gaming commissions in the states where these games are allowed are "tested" for randomness, but in reality, these so-called auditors know full well how much tax revenue these machines bring in, so "wink-wink," it's perfectly "normal" that the multiplier might never come up over a very long stretch of play. But are the players TOLD this long stretch may reach 50, 60, 70 or even 100 hands in a row? No, of course not.

And as for this site alone, what is the point of having a contest "featuring" this bonus when in actual fact the game is nothing but a one-times-pay poker game 99% of the time? It isn't enough to just say, "Oh well, s_it happens." Players must demand accountability if they want their games, and the gaming operators, to be truly honest and aboveboard.

[Webman]

I'm not sure what method you are using other than observation, but if you continue to play a large number of hands on the site and keep detailed records, I can guarantee you will find the multipliers to operate exactly as stated (An average of 1 in 15 games for 100 play STP and an average multiplier of 4.05).

[CuddlyLion]

You know, saying I need to play a "large number of hands" is like saying something is as long as a rope. An "average" means nothing without specific limits to make it an average. So just how "large" is large, exactly? At some point, a minimum number of hands, played in a finite number of sessions, must be used to ensure the average holds over time, because no one can play an infinite number of hands.

I stand by my assertion that of the THOUSANDS of STP hands I have played, this "1 in 15" average is nothing but a mirage. And why only a 6.666% opportunity to get a (usually low) multiplier anyway? It's not as if the player is dealt big hands on a regular basis. The WILD, WILD, WILD game gives the player a far greater opportunity to achieve a big payout. And it's not as if the player gets a 10x multiplier 20% of the time when, miracle of miracles, a multiplier opportunity does come up.

I can cite even more examples of fraud in the games on this site: Pay tables not matching despite the game type being the same (Triple Double on one game has different payouts for a full house, for example.) Wheel games (Triple Wheel, in particular) that only pay the lowest credit amount when a spin opportunity finally arrives--and you need a natural 4 of a kind to get even that. And the Members Rule contest is the most fraudulent thing of all.

You claim Gold members do not get an advantage in the contests, but that is an out and out lie. Besides being able to choose their own paytables, they get one extra spin each day above the two a Basic member gets. And why is there a constant tendency to only give 15 spins at one go? The number of spins should never vary, and in any case ought to be the same minimum number as in any other contest: 50. That players can BUY spins just so they can get into the Peanut Gallery is the clearest example of deceitfulness. That's not a contest, sir, that's an Irish sweepstakes, designed for only one reason: greed.

What do the players actually get for the money they pay you? Nothing, in the end. Bragging rights at best. Fine that you need money to continue operating the site, but at least be up front about things. And it's not as if you don't have money pouring in from the royalties the casinos pay you for these games, anyway.

[Tedlark]

Have you ever thought about taking up keno?

[onemoretry]

Today's daily contest is super times pay, so, just for the heck of it, I kept track of the number of times I received a multiplier. (I know - I should get another hobby, or something).

I played eight 50 hand sessions. The number of times I received a multiplier, per session, was 5, 3, 1,4,3,3,2,5.

Overall, then, I received a multiplier 26 times out of 400 deals, an average of one per 15.4 deals. Pretty close to 1 in 15, I'd say.

[dinghy]

Overall, then, I received a multiplier 26 times out of 400 deals, an average of one per 15.4 deals. Pretty close to 1 in 15, I'd say.

Imagine my shock.