Bank roll

[pokerpoke]

What ( Should ) be the minumum bankroll for a single line 25 cent VP ( Deucess ) machine.
 
also, same question for 3 line, 5 line, 10 line, 25 cent machine

[shadowman]

Which deuces game? Yes, it matters. There are some deuces games that pay 2x-3x the amount for 4 deuces and therefore don't pay off as much on the lower paying hands.
 
Also, what do you mean by bankroll? Lifetime, a week, a weekend or maybe just a single 4 hour session?

[pokerpoke]

When I say Bank Roll , I mean a single session, ( or a visit to the casino )

[shadowman]

Once again, the type of deuces game is important. For example, FPDW returns ~95% if you ignore the deuces and the RF. So, on a bad day you should average losing 5% an hour for however long you play. NSUD returns ~94% and triple deuces returns under 85% for the lower paying hands. I got these numbers from winpoker but any software tutor will provide the them.
What you need to do is compute how many hands you play each hour and multiple that by $1.25 to get your hourly coin-in. Then, take 5-15% of that number and you will have a value for the hourly loss for your particular deuces game. Multiply that by the number of hours you intend to play and you will have a reasonable bankroll value.
 
Now that I've said all that keep in mind that it is possible to lose even more than you will have computed. Over a short session it could easily be another 5% on top of what you will have computed. Of course, you may hit deuces or a RF right away but I'm assuming you're looking for a worst case scenario.
 
Of course, this also assumes playing with reasonable accuracy.

[shadowman]

One more thing, for the multiplay games you mentioned you will be playing more hands per hour but otherwise the computation is the same. Here's an example for single line:
Assume the game was NSUD and you played at 600 hands/hour . Base coin-in per hour for single line would be $750/hour. An average losing hour at 94% payback would be .06*$750 or $45/hour. If you planned on playing ten hours then a bankroll of $450 will suffice most of the time. If you're like me and want to be prepared for the worst case then you might double that number. If the thought of losing that much makes you ill then only take what you're willing to lose.
 
For multi-line your speed to play a single dealt hand will be reduced a little bit so factor that into the equation as well.

[pokerpoke]

Thanx.

[rfonlymama]

Shadow, do you need to triple that bankroll if you are playing triple play and multiply it by five for five play etc?   If so, no wonder some days are hard to handle if you haven't hit a royal or something with a kicker.   That would mean for STP triple play, you would need $135/hour of play.  Sure puts it all in perspective.

[shadowman]

No, it doesn't quite work that way. Clearly, the loss rate will be multiplied by however many extra hands you play per hour. For triple play I usually use 2.5 and for 5-play I use about 3.5. This is due to the extra time for the hands to play out. However, the likelihood of going for as many hours without hitting deuces or a royal also goes down considerably as well.

[New2vp]

Here's one for you, Shadow.  What do you suppose is the proper bankroll to take with you for 10 hours of 25-cent play at Big Times Draw Double Double Bonus (max coin for the pay schedule on the site here) if you want at least a 95% chance of being able to finish your session?  I'm guessing it involves a Brinks security guard.
 
I'm just kidding about wanting to know the figure.  I realize that this would likely require more programming than it's worth to provide any precision in an answer.  And I think I would try a lot of other games before ever tackling this one in a casino...but there are no doubt some bigger gamblers out there on this site.

[shadowman]

 
Until I understand the strategy and payback the answer is always zero.