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lvnut
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new to deuces wild so i was practicing online. i had a deuce, A and K of hearts, 4 and a 7. according to a book i am reading(dan paymers optimum play) his strategy says to hold any suited connectors(6-7 or higher) with 1 deuce. so i held the ace and king of hearts with the deuce but the online program said i should of just held the deuce. i re-read dans strategy and he also says to hold a 3 card royal with no ace. am i to hold connectors when only an ace is not involved. sounds confusing when he says hold the connectors 6-7 and higher. i assume he is including the ace when it's connected
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Eduardo
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2 A K is the correct hold if they are suited on a full pay or even NSUD machine.
But this is one that might actually change based on the pay table.
On a poor pay table such as 20/12/9/5/3/2 then the Deuce alone is the correct play.
But this is one that might actually change based on the pay table.
On a poor pay table such as 20/12/9/5/3/2 then the Deuce alone is the correct play.
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shadowman
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No, he is not including the ace. Most strategy rules treat 3 cards for a wild royal differently then 3 for a straight flush. I think this is where you are having a problem. The SF3 rule only considers 67,78,89 and 9T while the RF3 rule considers any 3 card combinations with a single deuce and no ace that can result in a wild royal.
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Eduardo
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Shadowman, is that fairly consistent across reasonable pay tables then? I would think the straight and flush payouts would matter enough to change it sometimes, even without an Ace?
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jm002546
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new to deuces wild so i was practicing online. i had a deuce, A and K of hearts, 4 and a 7. according to a book i am reading(dan paymers optimum play) his strategy says to hold any suited connectors(6-7 or higher) with 1 deuce. so i held the ace and king of hearts with the deuce but the online program said i should of just held the deuce. i re-read dans strategy and he also says to hold a 3 card royal with no ace. am i to hold connectors when only an ace is not involved. sounds confusing when he says hold the connectors 6-7 and higher. i assume he is including the ace when it's connected If neither the 4 or 7 were hearts you should hold AK2.
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shadowman
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Shadowman, is that fairly consistent across reasonable pay tables then? I would think the straight and flush payouts would matter enough to change it sometimes, even without an Ace?
No, it is not consistent at all. NSUD with the higher playing flush changes the strategy to hold a one gap SF3 as well at the zero gap one mentioned above. That is one way I could tell the question was about FPDW. In addition, there are situations where you do hold the RF3 with an ace. Jim mentioned one of them. However, keeping it simple is always good for beginners and following the simple strategy mentioned is a good way to start out on FPDW.
My wife and I were playing a NSUD progressive last year and we would always hold the ace high RF2s (no deuce) because of the progressive. We went to another casino where she started playing NSUD without a progressive. I left for a few minutes and when I returned she had a RF holding only the AQ. She had gotten in the habit of making the hold and automatically did it. Worked wonders on that one hand.
No, it is not consistent at all. NSUD with the higher playing flush changes the strategy to hold a one gap SF3 as well at the zero gap one mentioned above. That is one way I could tell the question was about FPDW. In addition, there are situations where you do hold the RF3 with an ace. Jim mentioned one of them. However, keeping it simple is always good for beginners and following the simple strategy mentioned is a good way to start out on FPDW.
My wife and I were playing a NSUD progressive last year and we would always hold the ace high RF2s (no deuce) because of the progressive. We went to another casino where she started playing NSUD without a progressive. I left for a few minutes and when I returned she had a RF holding only the AQ. She had gotten in the habit of making the hold and automatically did it. Worked wonders on that one hand.
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EDC1977
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Shadow, not sure of Dan Paymars version but my software instructs to hold the 2RF w/deuce anywheres from .05 up in value. The aforementioned 2SF w/deuce you listed were 100% on the money. The lone differences were FPDW and LDW.
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shadowman
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Shadow, not sure of Dan Paymars version but my software instructs to hold the 2RF w/deuce anywheres from .05 up in value.
In FPDW it gets down to the throw away (penalty) cards when one of the RF cards is an ace. Any straight or flush penalty makes the lone deuce a better play. However, there are other combinations of low suited cards that also make the lone deuce preferred. Since having one of these situations occurs more often than not, Dan probably figured it was simpler to not play all the ace-high situations.
BTW, I hope I didn't confuse anyone by mentioning the non-deuce hold that my wife hit for the royal.
In FPDW it gets down to the throw away (penalty) cards when one of the RF cards is an ace. Any straight or flush penalty makes the lone deuce a better play. However, there are other combinations of low suited cards that also make the lone deuce preferred. Since having one of these situations occurs more often than not, Dan probably figured it was simpler to not play all the ace-high situations.
BTW, I hope I didn't confuse anyone by mentioning the non-deuce hold that my wife hit for the royal.
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rfonlymama
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another deuces question...while playing the other day I got dealt three deuces and two 10's for five of a kind. Generally I go for the four deuces but this had a multiplier with it and I was greedy for the guaranteed money...what does perfect play say to do?
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EDC1977
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Which version of deuces were you playing? Many fail to mention this but it is vital in order to get the desired results/answers. BTW, glad you didn't get flooded out! You're very fortunate to have the weather gods and not the VP gods watching out for you!
A few examples I ran;
15/9 DW deuces only by .03
20/12 BDW 5OAK by1.21
25/10 LDW deuces only by .56
3 different games with 2 of 3 having similar strategies. 5OAK payouts and whether or not a progressive is involoved, if there is a bonus for quad deuces etc. Thus I'm not terribly fond of this game!
A few examples I ran;
15/9 DW deuces only by .03
20/12 BDW 5OAK by1.21
25/10 LDW deuces only by .56
3 different games with 2 of 3 having similar strategies. 5OAK payouts and whether or not a progressive is involoved, if there is a bonus for quad deuces etc. Thus I'm not terribly fond of this game!
