Perfect Play

Discuss proper hold strategies and "advantage play" and ask questions about how to improve your play.
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I understand perfect play, and while it's true we all make mistakes - especially after playing a while and your eyes get buggy!
 
Does anyone take risk/reward factors into perfect play? Twice I tossed a pair with 3 to the royal and hit it. 
 
Normally take the sure thing, but sometimes you just get a feeling something good will happen

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Dear 7,  When I'm practicing I have 3 main goals: 1. To improve accuracy   2. To improve speed   3. To win.     This gives me 3 opportunities to "win".  When in the casino my goal is to leave happy.  Hopefully from all the practice I'll play well and win.   I place a great deal of faith in the mathematics and do my best to play perfect strategy all the time.  If you are a lucky person, play all the hunches you can.  If you do not have the greatest luck,  correct strategy is the way to play.  Most importantly have fun. 

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Post by shadowman »

Big Steve makes a great point. There will always be a small set of folks that will win no matter what they do. At least for awhile. However, the more people play the smaller that list of folks will be. If you've ever heard people comment about how the machines "don't pay back like they used to" and the paytables haven't changed, then you will have run into someone whose luck has changed.
 
My luck changes all the time. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad. However, at the end of the year I'm usually ahead. The nice thing is, I EXPECT to be ahead because I play with an edge. I don't rely on luck.
 
Now, this doesn't mean people can't play hunches once in awhile. But, if you think about it, playing skillfully with an edge eliminates the need to play them.

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Post by bigsteve5273@yahoo.c »

Shadowman clarified it for me, i.e.,  mostly luck is only short term.  Whether one hand, one session  or especially in the event of a life changing win.    One tiny segment of an infinite string of probabilities.  In video poker the longer that string the greater the math is to the advantage of the strategy player. 

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All great points - the most important Steve made is to "Have Fun"!  If I'm on a hot/winning machine/lucky streak (call it whatever you want - all the same to me), that's when I'll be more risky to get a bigger hit.
If you think of it like investing in the markets, there are conservative buy and hold investors that will buy common stocks in well established companies like Coca Cola, Mcdonalds, etc. On the other extreme end there are the wild-eyed option spectulators, with many in between (particularily day traders). Once in a while - it's not a bad thing to be that wild-eyed speculator.  I'll only do that in smaller denominations (25 cent denom) and it is seldom - but the risk/reward can be incredible.
I guess in a way you have a similar situation with the game you choose to play. I prefer Super Double Bonus for the high payoff on face card quads since that's what you're going to hold more often, or Super Double Double Bonus for the additional kickers.
I've seen too many people get quad aces with a 3 on dueces wild.
 
Assuming many relate their risk level by the game they choose, is that the case for the group here?
 
When I hit a losing streak, I head for the tables and if those aren't any good...sometimes it's best just to save your money for another day!
 
All in all, I agree and thanks for your feedback. I normally don't focus on speed though as I'm usually the talkative one and if someone is in a joking mood, the games played is really decreased, back to the point of having fun
 
May you all hit Royals next trip!

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Does anyone take risk/reward factors into perfect play? Twice I tossed a pair with 3 to the royal and hit it.  Certain software and tutorials will tell you to do this depending on the 3RF cards. TJQ, JQK suited hold a very high $ value. Pairs of 2-10 don't always have the same $ value as the 3RF hold does.

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Post by 7come11 »

Thanks Ed - I did try VPW and some of the suggestions were way too conservative.
Example, dealt 5,j,q,a of hearts and some low other card (6 of clubs or something). It told me to hold all the hearts (including the 5).
Not sure about the perfect call on that...I'll always hold 3 to the royal in that situation.
If I'm wrong for tossing the 5, then so be it. Curious, what would you or anyone else do?  I think the software was wrong.  Sure, I'm more likely to hit a flush at 5-1, but that's peanuts compared to a royal.

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Oh yeah, I played today and did hold A's with a 10, Q and A of hearts.  next to cards were a J and K of Hearts!  OUCH!!! That stung.  Made up a little - 2 hands later it dealt me quad 3's for a little consolation!

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Post by bigsteve5273@yahoo.c »

Please allow me to reiterate for my own edification:   the more RF"s attempted despite proven strategy the more RF's will be won while at the same time the more money/credits will be lost.   A wonderful time to play a wild eyed , hairy legged strategy and have the greatest fun is during our winner take all contests where bragging rights are at stake  not actual funds.  Go for the gold.  Great luck to you.  I hope you win and should you do so please consider improving our international relations by sending our Canadian friend, Grandpa, a hat.  

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Post by royal flush »

that is the correct stratitigy for these contests or vp tournaments but for real money correct play for total return is the way

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