payback %

[palikwihi]

I know im going to take a beating for this, but i have to bring it up. In readingspxChrome's question about adjusting the winning percentage without changing the paytable, i have to agree with him. ask why???Well i have a good friend that is a slot tech at a casino. Im not saying where or which casino now, maybe later. I asked him about this and he said yes. I was shocked and sceptical about it. Then he called me the other day, the casino didnt open yet, and asked me to come over. He then proceeded to show me on a IGT class 3 Game King multi-denom multi game machine how it works.He showed me how the paytables come, and how he can change the percentage from whatever to whatever and yes the paytable stays the same. It is not hersay i saw it with my own eyes for about half an hour how he was showing me. This particular machine you could only change the percentage from 95%, 90% or 85% nothing in between. But he told me some other machines you can go the entire range. Im not asking anybody to beleive me or change their way of thinking or playing the game. Im just saying what i saw and im an IT/IS manager for 20 years and a video poker player for about 15 years. All im saying i saw it, i understood it and i beleived it, and im changing the way im going to play from now on, because it almost doesnt matter how you play its almost 95% luck, in my opinion, and this is only my opinion..

[pokeherguy]

You're right about one thing, get ready to take a beating! I was told by a person who works at a casino a while back that as long as the vp machines operated a 2% higher payback than slots over the life of the machine everything was kosher. While I was talking to the guy I got the feeling he knew less than I did about vp which is hard to believe. He also told me that the vp games at this particular location had a secondary chip that controlled the hands dealt. This of corse was completly bs because that would eliminate the term "must be completly random". I put little stock in what a slot tech says after talking with this guy and came to the conclusion he was a bigger idiot than me when it came to the internal workings of the vp machine.
Check back on the up-coming beating because the only way of controlling the payback % other than adjusting the paytables would have to involve compromising the term "random".

[shadowman]

Personally, I'd wager you were looking at class II VP machines like those in NY, WA, etc. In this case the payback is set independent of the paytable. Where was the machine you saw?

[palikwihi]

It is outside of the states, but the machines say class 3 IGT Game king on them. Once again im not trying to convince anybody to beleive me, all im saying i saw it with my own eyes how he  changed the percentage and left the paytable as it was.

[shadowman]

If it's outside the states then all bets are off. NV law only requires that machines manufactured in NV meet the laws of the jurisdiction where they are put in operation. If the law allows unfair games, then they might exist. Clearly, IGT has the capability of producing these machines since they also manufacture class II machines.
BTW, I've never seen "class III" printed on any machine. This is a categorization, not a type of machine. It makes me suspicious.

[palikwihi]

Probably you are right, but im only saying where i am this is what i saw. The machines all come from the states but, you never know they could be different when being shipped out.