Adjacent Aces Odds

[spxChrome]

This may have been worked out before but I can't remember.  I have taken a liking to a game called Double Bonus Plus 10/7 machine which pays 2000 for adjacent aces or 800 for 2/3/4.  Wondering what the odds are on getting Adjacent Aces and/or Adjacent 2/3/4's?  If they are lower or higher than getting Aces with a little kicker.
 
 

[Eduardo]

Does that mean all 4 aces together, like AAAAX or XAAAA?


 
If so then the X can fall in 5 locations, and 2 of them are winners. So the odds should be 2/5 times the odds of aces. I think.
 
That would be about 1 in 14,400 if I did the math right.
 
Aces with a kicker is about 1 in 16,200 so the odds would be a little better. If i did that right?

[oej719]

I am impressed eduardo.

[New2vp]

Adjacent quads occur more frequently than quads + kicker.  Looking it at from hands that are dealt, 40% (2/5) of quads will be adjacent:  AAAA_, AAA_A, AA_AA, A_AAA, _AAAA with the 1st and last of these being adjacent.  With dealt hands, 25% (12/48) of quads will have a kicker in most games where 3 of the other 12 ranks generally qualify as a kicker.The exact pay table will imply a strategy that increases the frequencies in final hands so that a higher percentage of both adjacent quads and quads with kickers will occur than the dealt percentages above.No commercial video poker software that I know of helps you with the strategy for adjacent quads, but Dancer wrote an article on this game a while back.  It was on February 1, 2005, and is titled:  Double Bonus Poker Plus  http://www.casinogaming.com/columnists/ ... /0201.html

[Eduardo]

Would you really ever discard A _ _ _ A based on the fact that it cant' pay for adjacents? Seems rare, and probably would impact the frequency only slightly? Maybe more-so for the other low cards.


 
I am impressed eduardo.
That's what she... nevermind. She didn't.

[shadowman]

I love this game. This is the game I played at the Tuscany until they lowered the pay table in February. The 10/6 version pays right around 99.8%. If the rest of the pay table is the same then a 10/7 version of this game would be FANTASTIC.
 
Keep in mind that the base quads 5-K only pay 200 credits. This makes up for the additional 15% jackpots when you get cozy aces or 2,3,4. Cozy is the nickname a friend of mine came up with for the adjacency.
 
I have a strategy for this game but it's not all that different from standard DDB. In fact, 10/6 DB+ would probably drop less than .1% if you used 10/6 DDB strategy. As for 10/7 DB+. I'm sure that would require significant strategy changes just like 10/7 DB.
 
There's also a 9/6/5 version of DB+ that pays 100.08% (IIRC). That would also require strategy changes for the straight paying 5:1.
 
I can probably answer any strategy questions that you might have relative to the differences between DB+ and DDB. For example, when dealt two pair and one of them is aces you normally hold only the aces in both games ... EXCEPT ... in DB+ if the aces are in positions 1 and 5 you should hold two pair. Also, if you are dealt a FH and have trip 2s, 3s or 4s and they occupy the middle three position then holding just the trips is correct.
 
I probably love this game even more than Eduardo loves tacos.

[New2vp]

Would you really ever discard A _ _ _ A based on the fact that it cant' pay for adjacents? Seems rare, and probably would impact the frequency only slightly? Maybe more-so for the other low cards.


 You would never discard A _ _ _ A, but from A 2 K 2 A, you would keep the two pair, but with K A A 2 2, you would only keep the aces.  With the first you would not get any chance for non-adjacent quad aces.  With the 2nd, 2/3 of resulting quad aces would be adjacent.It's plays like these that impact the final frequencies and increase the proportion of adjacent quad aces to over 40%.  Getting 2 pair on the deal with one of them aces is a frequent enough hand that you should know this strategy if you are going to play this game for any length of time.

[Eduardo]

Shadow and new2vp, your expertise is mind boggling sometimes. Very very good.

[New2vp]

Shadow and new2vp, your expertise is mind boggling sometimes. Very very good. Aw shucks, it's nothing r-dude couldn't have done if he wasn't on vacation...but, I don't think s-man or I insulted anyone in the process of giving our responses.

[EDC1977]

It was through the good graces of Shadowman that I was introduced to this game. Although not widely available, it is a fun game and the holds as he noted, are almost identical to 10/6 DDB. What a wealth of information and no pattern recognition either!