Deuces

[pidge]

OK- need some input from somebody who plays alot of DW. I just returned from a trip to Las Vegas for the Super Bowl. I played alot of DW while we were there.  One of the machines we were playing was a progressive that was up to $1900 for a Royal ( it was a 25 cent machine). While we were playing, one member of our group, that is a Las Vegas regular and a good video poker player said I was playing the wrong game to try to hit the Royal.  Too hard to hit the Royal playing Deuces because of the cards that are kept each hand when you play the "right" way.  I have Bob Dancer's Video Poker for Winners and play quite a bit. I play at the 99% the "right" way.
I have always felt that I hit a low # of Royals compared to what statistics show.  It is apparent you can't win money playing Deuces even in the long run because you just don't hit many Royals? 
I obviously don't expect to win consistantly playing any Vegas game, but I would like to believe playing the game right mathematically you would be a little more competitive and play a little longer on my dollar?
Any advice or opinion is appreciated.
Also....are you aware of any training aid like Bob Dancers Video Poker for Winners that is dedicated to blackjack and card counting ?

[shadowman]

"It is apparent you can't win money playing Deuces even in the long run because you just don't hit many Royals?"
 
Sorry, but that is not mathematically supportable. In fact, there are games where you could win without ever hitting a RF. While RFs are less frequent in some DW games, that is not true in others. It's never that simple.
 
The advice given you was also incorrect for progressives. When you play progressives you should be changing strategy as you go. While it's complicated it can be made a little easier by tying the strategy changes to specific credit amounts.
 
The net is you start going for more and more RFs as the progressive increases. You end up increasing the RF frequency and will probably get just as many RF as with most other games, maybe more. For example, at $1900 you should throw away a dealt wild RF with one deuce and go for the RF.
 
I played a deuces wild (NSUD) progressive quite a bit. I got just as many RFs as any other game. In fact, I once hit two within 5 minutes on the same triple play machine.
 
"I would like to believe playing the game right mathematically you would be a little more competitive and play a little longer on my dollar? "
 
Now that is mathematically supportable and very good advice.

[pssttt]

I was delt a RF on a triple play machine and I was playing DW quarters= paid $3000.00. I think I just sat down at the right time at the right machine and  the RNG fell in love with me, I had only played a little over $20.00 when it did it's thing.  So playing a hand right is important but I also believe in  just dumb luck. 
 
 

[royal flush]

nice hit

[frogface]

While I try a lot of different poker games, and get easily distracted by the "shiny, noisy" slot machines, my husband plays only video poker, and DW the majority of the time.  He has had several royal flushes over the last few years, twice in one day at Samstown last year.  All were on deuces.  The only royal I've had (and it's been a while) was also on DW.  So, I can say, at least anecdotally, that playing DW does not make you less likely to get a Royal.  Our experience has been the opposite. I am SO over due for one! 

[Lucky Larry]

While I try a lot of different poker games, and get easily distracted by the "shiny, noisy" slot machines, my husband plays only video poker, and DW the majority of the time.  He has had several royal flushes over the last few years, twice in one day at Samstown last year.  All were on deuces.  The only royal I've had (and it's been a while) was also on DW.  So, I can say, at least anecdotally, that playing DW does not make you less likely to get a Royal.  Our experience has been the opposite. I am SO over due for one! 

frogface,
Boy do we know the feeling. So I checked our records. Between us we had hit a 25¢ RF and a $ RF plus $ 4 deuces playing in January of 2008 and 2009. Whole lot more fun when you have money at the beginning of the year to tide you through the dead of winter. This year no RF or Deuces so far and we are dying.    Three of our 4 January RF's those years were on DW and the other on DDB.

LL

[frogface]

Well Larry, you are due too!! It's only February so keep the faith.  Our most recent trip to Vegas, in December, the hubby did hit 4deuces on $ (again at Sams), but no royals for either of us.  We're going next week to Four Winds (our effort to boost the Michigan economy).  Let's hope for some big hits then.  Good luck to you too!

[Dynomite]

What do you mean when you discuss different "DW games?" Which DW games do you prefer? What distinguishes one from another? 

[shadowman]

There are many different pay tables available for game that are called "deuces wild". There are also a couple of variations like Bonus Deuces and Deuces Deluxe that different pay combinations.
For example, from vpfree here are some examples:
 
1-2-2-3-4-08-12-20-200-800 ... 92.05%
1-2-2-3-4-09-15-25-200-800 ... 94.34%
1-2-2-3-4-10-15-25-200-800 ... 94.82%
1-2-2-3-4-13-16-25-200-800 ... 96.77% - Colorado Deuces
1-2-2-3-5-09-12-20-200-800 ... 98.94%
1-2-2-3-5-09-12-25-200-800 ... 99.81%
1-2-2-3-5-09-15-20-200-800 ... 99.89%
1-2-2-3-5-08-15-25-200-800 ... 100.36%
1-2-2-3-5-09-15-25-200-800 ... 100.76% - FPDW   (FP)
1-2-2-3-5-09-15-25-200-800 ... 101.28% - 12,000 SEQ

[Tedlark]

  Good luck at Four Winds frogface, they have a couple very good restaurants and the long winding drive out will give you plenty of time to reflect on the not so good video poker there. But if you have a comped room they are VERY nice.