Hard Hand to Dump

[Yatita]

[Yatita]

Hi All,Did not have any room to ask what hands have you all run across that give you Fits trying to decite which way to go with it.By the way I am Yatitas Better Half Raner. I am doing a bit of practice on Double Double Bonus that is all we play,going to vegas next month. later!

[Lucky Larry]

Yatita's Better Half Raner,
Welcome to the forum. Keep this in mind. The chances of hitting those 4 deuces is really small compared to hitting the flush. Usually the key to winning in VP is staying in the game long enough (taking flushes, straights, etc.) to finally get the big pay off hands.

LL

[Vol]

Yatita  --- for DDB ---
 
How do you feel about two pair with a pair of 2's, 3's, or 4's?  or a full house with three 2's, 3's, or 4''s?
 
If they were A's, you would keep just the A's.
 
Are you similarly conflicted?
 
I asked this question awhile ago and all replies said "by the book."
 
Vol

[Yatita]

Hey lucky L.
Larry the reason I keep the 2,3,4, pair is because I like the odds if they hit and if they don't I'm out 5 Bucks and that hand does not come up that often anyway.
Now if I get three consecutive cards to a royal then 2,3,4, pair goes away.
Again the hand does not come up that often either.
 
Hi Vol
For the first part or the Question I'd Keep the two pairs.
For the second part I'd Dump the A's, if the Quad hits the return is pretty good. And yes I know the books says to never dump a full.Except if the full is 3 A's and whatever pair. Note:I have Never been Drunk enough to dump the 2,3,4,three of a kind and hold the two A's.Hah Hah Hah! 
And by the way if my bank roll is low I do keep the the full by the book.
And the other hand I don't like that is by the book is off suited J,Q with A.I always keep the A Could never figure out how the J,Q off suit is better than the A on Double Double Bonus. I have hit a bunch of Quad A's with kicker and without a kicker holding one A and one Royal so in my case I'm way ahead of the count holding the A. Yatita does not like it when I do some of this stuff she plays by the book.But I like to take a Chance now and than you never know what will happen unless you go for it. Later Raner
 

[shadowman]

The odds are 1 in 360 of making a quad holding a pair. The odds of making a flush are 9 in 47 (1 in 5.2).
 
If you looked at only the major wins you would see where 360 tries would, on average, garner 500 ((400*3+800)/4) credits holding the pair and 1730 credits (360/5.2 * 25) holding 4 for the flush. Fortunately, you will hit two pair and 3oak enough times to make the comparison a little closer (.4*360 = 144 credits difference).
 
These extra 144 credits (29 hands) will give you many more chances to be dealt pairs/trips/quads. that is why it is short sighted to look at any single hand in isolation. The big picture helps.

[shadowman]

The unsuited QJ is better because you have two chances to hit high pairs from the 3 cards drawn (a total of six) vs. only 4 chances with the ace (not counting drawn high cards matching themselves) PLUS you have many more straight combinations.
 
It's the same situation as my last post by not nearly as big of a difference (.04 vs. .4). Tens times less costly. So, this one will not affect your results to any great extent.

[New2vp]

These extra 144 credits (29 hands) will give you many more chances to be dealt pairs/trips/quads. that is why it is short sighted to look at any single hand in isolation. The big picture helps.But short-sighted play helps the casino garner a bigger return and thus indirectly helps those who play "by the book" or, more descriptively, those who play to get the largest expected win on each hand.Short-sighted play ultimately allows the casinos to offer better pay schedules than if there were no short-sighted play.