If each hand is Independant

[spxChrome]

I know everyone screams that each hand is independant of the previous hand but why would a Shockwave 12/8 game pay 4,000 for getting another Quad within 10 hands.  That would lead me to believe that the odds of getting 2 quads in 10 dealt hands is about one in 40,000 / the same as getting a RF? 

[BOOPSAHOY]

You have the same chance of getting a 4oak every hand.

[Eduardo]

What is the cost of that feature? There is no extra cost for a 4,000 royal.

[cddenver]

I know everyone screams that each hand is independant of the previous hand but why would a Shockwave 12/8 game pay 4,000 for getting another Quad within 10 hands.  That would lead me to believe that the odds of getting 2 quads in 10 dealt hands is about one in 40,000 / the same as getting a RF? 


 
Not necessarily.   The important thing to game designers is the net benefit to the player (or cost, depending on how you look at it) for those Shockwave quads.  You have to take other factors into account, like the paytable, and any extra coin(s) that need to be played to activate the Shockwave feature of the game.  I've never played Shockwave so I don't have any numbers handy.  I'll put some together and post them in a bit unless someone else beats me to the punch.
 
Think of the 4,000 pays for Aces w/kicker in TDB and any Aces in Royal Aces, both of which come up much more frequently than RF's.  In TDB the "gotcha!" is the short pay on 3oak, in Royal Aces it's that minimum paying hand of Pair of Aces.

[Casino Knight]

I really like SHOCKWAVE!!!  I asked Webman to see about providing it on the single line games site, but it hasn't happened as of yet.As luck would have it I caught a 4OAK 10's and caught another within the 10 hand limit on the $2. game for a nice $8k.  The machine locked up and after being paid, I played it off and was dealt a $2. Royal for another $8k.  This was before I started taking pics.I've since been dealt a $2. Royal as well, and won the quad bonus for a Royal payout several times.Again I like this game.CK

[Casino Knight]

SHOCKWAVE OVERVIEW CASINO ARIZONA 5 coin single line game of Jack or Better4000 RF500 SF125 4OAK50 FULL HOUSE40 FLUSH25 STRAIGHT15 3OAK5   2 PAIR5   JOBIf you catch any quad during normal play, the screen changes color and you're put into the SHOCKWAVE MODE.  You then play up to 10 hands and try to catch another quad. NOTE: You pay 5 coins for each hand you play in this mode.  If you connect with another quad while in the SHOCKWAVE MODE, you collect 4000 credits, the same as for a Royal.Hope this helps.CK

[New2vp]

There are some stats on this at:http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tabl ... ave.htmlIt looks like it is almost 3 times more likely to get the 2nd set of quads in shockwave mode as you are to get a royal in long term play.The catch (or cost) for this game comes when you see you are only getting pushes for 2 pair and only getting 125 coins for quads most of the time.  Usually in games with pushes for 2 pair, you get much bigger payoffs for quads.  And here those extra payoffs are much bigger (4000 for all quads in shockwave mode) but much less frequent.The probability of getting quads in shockwave mode is different (about 14% higher) than the probability in regular mode with perfect play, because you should be more aggressive in shockwave mode:  You never hold full houses (hold trips instead), never hold 2 pair (toss one pair and try for quads), sometime hold a lone J over KQ suited, never hold more than one unsuited high card, and sometimes hold a singleton 4 through 10. 

[cddenver]

Hope this helps.

 
It sure does, and congrats on the Shockwave winners. 
 
Based on that short pay of 5 coins on Two Pair I'd have to say that whatever the average number of hands played between Shockwave quads is, it's more than the number of hands it takes on average to be shorted 4,000 points on Two Pair (800 Two Pair).  

[spxChrome]

FWIW The shockwave I play pays 12 for a FH.  So factor that in and that a SF pays 500 it has to have a higher payout.  I play this game on rare occasions but have hit it once.  Dealt Aces/2 which about made me puke cause I just switched from TDB but then I held a lucky #7 and it filled in the other 3.

[BOOPSAHOY]

The one time I played .25 SW I hit for a royal during shockwave play for 8000 quarters!